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Celtic, Driving, and Heaven: Adrian Bott @Cavalorn Follow l did some research into 'the veil between the worlds' a while back. Not a single example of a pre-Victorian use 5:53 AM -30 Oct 2017 53 Retweets 115 Likes O@ β‘€ εž‚η·š) Iweet your reply Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 12h Replying to @Cavalorn The concept of 'thin places' (where the 'veil between worlds' is thin) was even worse - deemed 'ancient Celtic', actually invented in 1938. 2 26 51 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h Obviously if 'the veil between worlds' is a Victorian invention then the belief that Samhain is when 'the veil is thinnest' is equally bogus 1 8 21 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h Currently trying to track down the earliest reference to Samhain being the time when the veil grows thin'. Suspect it will be in 1970s. 10 2 28 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h The fact that we unwittingly view ancient seasonal celebrations through a lens of 19th century Spiritualist Christianity is a big deal to me 1 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h Marking Samhain as 'the time when the veil grows thin' isn't perpetuating Old Ways, it's misrepresenting them 1 6 25 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h So far as I can tell, 'the veil' as a theological concept began as 'the veil between Earth and Heaven' & was co-opted into Spiritualism.. 4 6 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h in which context it served an almost theatric role as the barrier between the desired-for ectoplasmic manifestations & the attendees 4 13 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h Point I'm driving at is that this belief that mortal & spirit worlds were divided by a 'veil' is COMPLETELY ABSENT from such lore as we have 1 7 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h The insistence that the earthly & mortal is in one place & the spiritual & eternal is in another is being IMPOSED on the old traditions Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h Nowadays we don't think of spirits' or Gods' realms as physical places, but as planes'. But back then, the Gods lived on Mount Olympus. 1 3 15 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h Heaven was believed to be as physical as Earth. Hell could be reached through openings in rocks. The whole cosmology was different. 4 18 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h Human experience of the world was such that the place where the Gods lived was imagined to be a place like this, only not near here. 3 3 9 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h Of course, now that the Earth is mapped, we needed to imagine otherworlds as 'higher planes'. It was the only place for the unknown to be. 3 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h The idea of superimposition, borrowed from photography, was a convenient analogy for how people thought the spirit world interacted w/ ours. 4 17 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h The less magical the world was believed to be, the more it became necessary to posit a division between us and the realms of wonder. 2 9 21 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h Hence the Spiritualist concept of the Veil, born of parlour room seances & now retrospectively cast as a key element of Samhain. 10 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h But here's the thing. The Sidhe, the 'people of the mounds', were believed to live in the mounds. The tumuli. A *physical* reality. 2 4 16 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 2h There was no pious division of things into the mundane & the spiritual; the idea of the mundane hadn't been invented yet. 1 5 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 2h Mundanity is a product of modernity, and the Spirit Realm behind its sodding Veil was only imagined as a necessary contrast (& salve) to it. 8 23 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 2h In summary, Samhain is not a time when the Veil grows thin, because there never was a Veil in the old tales, and magic was *everywhere*. 4 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 2h This isn't meant as snark or cynicism. People learn this stuff and pass it on in good faith. Just please interrogate what you inherit, ok'? 2 3 19 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 1h It's not necessary to buy into the whole 19thC metaphysical hooha of a Veil in order to appreciate the tales of, say, fairie folk riding. 2 8 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 1h And there's certainly no suggestion that the trolls who descend from their fastnesses on that night do so because the pesky Veil is thin. 2 7 <p><a href="https://caledoniaseries.tumblr.com/post/166973938572/unauthorized-magic-this-thread-is-so-good" class="tumblr_blog">caledoniaseries</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://unauthorized-magic.tumblr.com/post/166963134224/this-thread-is-so-good" class="tumblr_blog">unauthorized-magic</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>This thread is so good.Β </p></blockquote> <p>THIS. ^^Β </p> <p>As a folklorist, this kind of thing bothers the hell out of me. <i>So muchΒ </i>of what people think of as <i>ancient</i>Β is Victorian era or newer. Or just wildly inaccurate, really.</p> </blockquote>
Celtic, Driving, and Heaven: Adrian Bott
 @Cavalorn
 Follow
 l did some research into 'the veil between the
 worlds' a while back. Not a single example of
 a pre-Victorian use
 5:53 AM -30 Oct 2017
 53 Retweets 115 Likes O@ β‘€
 εž‚η·š)
 Iweet your reply
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 12h
 Replying to @Cavalorn
 The concept of 'thin places' (where the 'veil between worlds' is thin) was even
 worse - deemed 'ancient Celtic', actually invented in 1938.
 2
 26
 51
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h
 Obviously if 'the veil between worlds' is a Victorian invention then the belief that
 Samhain is when 'the veil is thinnest' is equally bogus
 1
 8
 21
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h
 Currently trying to track down the earliest reference to Samhain being the time
 when the veil grows thin'. Suspect it will be in 1970s.
 10
 2 28

 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h
 The fact that we unwittingly view ancient seasonal celebrations through a lens
 of 19th century Spiritualist Christianity is a big deal to me
 1
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h
 Marking Samhain as 'the time when the veil grows thin' isn't perpetuating Old
 Ways, it's misrepresenting them
 1
 6
 25
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h
 So far as I can tell, 'the veil' as a theological concept began as 'the veil between
 Earth and Heaven' & was co-opted into Spiritualism..
 4
 6
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h
 in which context it served an almost theatric role as the barrier between the
 desired-for ectoplasmic manifestations & the attendees
 4
 13
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h
 Point I'm driving at is that this belief that mortal & spirit worlds were divided by a
 'veil' is COMPLETELY ABSENT from such lore as we have
 1
 7
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 10h
 The insistence that the earthly & mortal is in one place & the spiritual & eternal is
 in another is being IMPOSED on the old traditions
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h
 Nowadays we don't think of spirits' or Gods' realms as physical places, but as
 planes'. But back then, the Gods lived on Mount Olympus.
 1
 3
 15

 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h
 Heaven was believed to be as physical as Earth. Hell could be reached through
 openings in rocks. The whole cosmology was different.
 4
 18
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h
 Human experience of the world was such that the place where the Gods lived
 was imagined to be a place like this, only not near here.
 3
 3
 9
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h
 Of course, now that the Earth is mapped, we needed to imagine otherworlds as
 'higher planes'. It was the only place for the unknown to be.
 3
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h
 The idea of superimposition, borrowed from photography, was a convenient
 analogy for how people thought the spirit world interacted w/ ours.
 4
 17
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h
 The less magical the world was believed to be, the more it became necessary to
 posit a division between us and the realms of wonder.
 2
 9
 21
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h
 Hence the Spiritualist concept of the Veil, born of parlour room seances & now
 retrospectively cast as a key element of Samhain.
 10
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 3h
 But here's the thing. The Sidhe, the 'people of the mounds', were believed to
 live in the mounds. The tumuli. A *physical* reality.
 2
 4
 16

 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 2h
 There was no pious division of things into the mundane & the spiritual; the idea
 of the mundane hadn't been invented yet.
 1
 5
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 2h
 Mundanity is a product of modernity, and the Spirit Realm behind its sodding
 Veil was only imagined as a necessary contrast (& salve) to it.
 8
 23
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 2h
 In summary, Samhain is not a time when the Veil grows thin, because there
 never was a Veil in the old tales, and magic was *everywhere*.
 4
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 2h
 This isn't meant as snark or cynicism. People learn this stuff and pass it on in
 good faith. Just please interrogate what you inherit, ok'?
 2
 3
 19
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 1h
 It's not necessary to buy into the whole 19thC metaphysical hooha of a Veil in
 order to appreciate the tales of, say, fairie folk riding.
 2
 8
 Adrian Bott @Cavalorn 1h
 And there's certainly no suggestion that the trolls who descend from their
 fastnesses on that night do so because the pesky Veil is thin.
 2
 7
<p><a href="https://caledoniaseries.tumblr.com/post/166973938572/unauthorized-magic-this-thread-is-so-good" class="tumblr_blog">caledoniaseries</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="http://unauthorized-magic.tumblr.com/post/166963134224/this-thread-is-so-good" class="tumblr_blog">unauthorized-magic</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>This thread is so good.Β </p></blockquote>
<p>THIS. ^^Β </p>
<p>As a folklorist, this kind of thing bothers the hell out of me. <i>So muchΒ </i>of what people think of as <i>ancient</i>Β is Victorian era or newer. Or just wildly inaccurate, really.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a href="https://caledoniaseries.tumblr.com/post/166973938572/unauthorized-magic-this-thread-is-so-good" class="tumblr_blog">caledoniaser...

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Creepy, Family, and Independence Day: G:@The Patanomal.Guide
 IGO The Paranormal Guide
 Fourth of Julu Ghost Bou
 ourth of July ahoSt boy
 In this photo you can see a young girl and
 boy playing with sparklers however, the young
 boy was not there at the time it was token."
 For the family who took the photo it did not
 prove to be much of a mystery, the extra
 figure is that of their nine year old son, who
 ed du same year
 was not there at the time it was taken
 ring a tornado earlier that
Happy 4th of July! This photo, taken on July 4th, 2013, shows a young girl playing with sparklers, getting into celebrations. At the time nothing was thought out of the ordinary, but on review there seems to be an extra figure. The family believe this extra figure to be their son, who was killed when a tornado destroyed his primary school in May, 2013. Nine year old Nicolas McCabe loved Independence Day, and the family believed their son was still getting into the spirit of things, even though he is no longer of our physical world. Follow @the.paranormal.guide for more! ________________________________ . . . . HASHTAGS BELOW IGNORE . . . . . . _________________________________ scary creepy gore horrormovie blood horrorfan love horrorjunkie ahs twd horror supernatural horroraddict makeup murder spooky terror creepypasta evil metal bloody follow paranormal ghost haunted me serialkiller like4like deepweb

Happy 4th of July! This photo, taken on July 4th, 2013, shows a young girl playing with sparklers, getting into celebrations. At the time no...