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Condone: NEW EPISODE CN CARTOETw I WAS TERRIBLE TO YOU. I LIKED TAKING EVERYTHING OUT ON YO.. beta-kindergarten: Because this is, for whatever reason being discussed again in the tags, here’s just another reminder to everyone, and especially to my fellow survivors who see themselves in Jasper: SU has /never/ been ambiguous regarding who was in control of malachite. It was undoubtedly Lapis up until SWI, and even then you could say she and Jasper were working together to fight the CGs. Abuse by definition NEEDS to have a power imbalance between the victim and abuser. Jasper was never allowed that power, while Lapis is always described as the one who was in control, therefore Lapis was the abuser and Jasper was the victim. Victims aren’t always good people. Jasper is very much a victim of circumstance, both from the war and from Malachite. Yes, she’s abusive, but towards the corrupted gems, and has yet to be given a chance to unlearn her toxic behaviors. She’s a messy victim, she’s aggressive and angry, and there are so many survivors who act like this; and guess what, they’re still victims. Having “ugly” symptoms and feeling affection for your abuser does NOT make you the abuser of the relationship. It doesn’t undermine your abuse and certainly doesn’t justify it, no matter what vitriol this fandom tries to spew at you because you see Jasper as the victim. Abusers aren’t always going to be your enemy. They aren’t always going to be bigger than you, or physically stronger. They can be friends or family or “beach summer fun buddies”. They can be nice sometimes and absolutely terrible other times. And they can also have traumas of their own. This doesn’t change or excuse the fact that they’re abusive. Lapis is this kind of abuser. She was the one holding the chains, the one who acknowledges her own power (and fears being placed in positions of control because of it), and the one who regrets her decisions and is trying to stop being abusive. Frankly I don’t care about protagonist centered morality enough to even consider Steven’s point of view regarding Malachite. I don’t care what the CGs in the show have to say about the situation because regardless of how much of a “terrible” person Jasper is, it’s presented clearly to us who was the one being held in chains against their will. I also cannot be bothered to care about your definitions of “lashing out” or, “self-blaming”. Lapis made her intentions painfully clear that this was for revenge and wanting to take out everything on someone. She doesn’t love the earth nor does she want to play nice with the CGs. So don’t even try to tell me this because I’m frankly just /tired/ of being reminded that you people don’t actually care about victims if our behaviors or coping mechanisms are “wrong” to you. Also, of the 2 years that I’ve been involved in this hell fandom I’ve yet to see Jasper fans attack the inboxes or posts of Lapis fans to the same extent that the reverse has been done. Jasper fans don’t spread ugly rumors about Rebecca Sugar’s abuse history either, so it’s pretty ironic that WE’RE the ones who condone abuse isn’t it? tl;dr: You’re honestly disgusting if you’ve EVER tried to make a victim feel bad for liking Jasper, and I sincerely hope you grow up some day and learn that it’s not worth it to harm real people and survivors for the sake of a cartoon. And if you’re a victim who relates to Jasper, believe me when I say you aren’t alone and you aren’t a bad person. Keep doing you. ✌️
Condone: NEW EPISODE
 CN
 CARTOETw

 I WAS TERRIBLE TO YOU.

 I LIKED TAKING EVERYTHING OUT ON YO..
beta-kindergarten:

Because this is, for whatever reason being discussed again in the tags, here’s just another reminder to everyone, and especially to my fellow survivors who see themselves in Jasper:

SU has /never/ been ambiguous regarding who was in control of malachite. It was undoubtedly Lapis up until SWI, and even then you could say she and Jasper were working together to fight the CGs. Abuse by definition NEEDS to have a power imbalance between the victim and abuser. Jasper was never allowed that power, while Lapis is always described as the one who was in control, therefore Lapis was the abuser and Jasper was the victim.

Victims aren’t always good people. Jasper is very much a victim of circumstance, both from the war and from Malachite. Yes, she’s abusive, but towards the corrupted gems, and has yet to be given a chance to unlearn her toxic behaviors. She’s a messy victim, she’s aggressive and angry, and there are so many survivors who act like this; and guess what, they’re still victims. Having “ugly” symptoms and feeling affection for your abuser does NOT make you the abuser of the relationship. It doesn’t undermine your abuse and certainly doesn’t justify it, no matter what vitriol this fandom tries to spew at you because you see Jasper as the victim.

Abusers aren’t always going to be your enemy. They aren’t always going to be bigger than you, or physically stronger. They can be friends or family or “beach summer fun buddies”. They can be nice sometimes and absolutely terrible other times. And they can also have traumas of their own. This doesn’t change or excuse the fact that they’re abusive. Lapis is this kind of abuser. She was the one holding the chains, the one who acknowledges her own power (and fears being placed in positions of control because of it), and the one who regrets her decisions and is trying to stop being abusive. 

Frankly I don’t care about protagonist centered morality enough to even consider Steven’s point of view regarding Malachite. I don’t care what the CGs in the show have to say about the situation because regardless of how much of a “terrible” person Jasper is, it’s presented clearly to us who was the one being held in chains against their will. I also cannot be bothered to care about your definitions of “lashing out” or, “self-blaming”. Lapis made her intentions painfully clear that this was for revenge and wanting to take out everything on someone. She doesn’t love the earth nor does she want to play nice with the CGs. So don’t even try to tell me this because I’m frankly just /tired/ of being reminded that you people don’t actually care about victims if our behaviors or coping mechanisms are “wrong” to you. 

Also, of the 2 years that I’ve been involved in this hell fandom I’ve yet to see Jasper fans attack the inboxes or posts of Lapis fans to the same extent that the reverse has been done. Jasper fans don’t spread ugly rumors about Rebecca Sugar’s abuse history either, so it’s pretty ironic that WE’RE the ones who condone abuse isn’t it?

tl;dr: You’re honestly disgusting if you’ve EVER tried to make a victim feel bad for liking Jasper, and I sincerely hope you grow up some day and learn that it’s not worth it to harm real people and survivors for the sake of a cartoon. And if you’re a victim who relates to Jasper, believe me when I say you aren’t alone and you aren’t a bad person. Keep doing you. ✌️

beta-kindergarten: Because this is, for whatever reason being discussed again in the tags, here’s just another reminder to everyone, and...

Condone: A MARINES LETTER TO THE NFL I've been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl, and Giants Stadium I missed the '90-'91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm, 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home I’ve been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl and Giants Stadium. I missed the ’90-’91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm. 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home with the American Flag draped across their lifeless bodies. My last conversation with one of them, Sgt Garrett Mongrella, was about how our Giants were going to the Super Bowl. He never got to see it. Many friends, Marines, and Special Forces Soldiers who worked with or for me through the years returned home with the American Flag draped over their coffins. Now I watch multi-millionaire athletes who never did anything in their lives but play a game, disrespect what brave Americans fought and died for. They are essentially spitting in the faces and on the graves of real men, men who have actually done something for this country beside playing with a ball and believing they’re something special! They’re not! My Marines and Soldiers were! You are complicit in this! You’ll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the moral courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this. Yes, I know, it’s their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner. What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs! I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that’s much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn’t it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone? Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is OK? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multi-million dollar contracts for playing a freaking game! You condone it all by your refusal to act. You’re just as bad and disgusting as they are. I hope Americans boycott any sponsor who supports that rabble you call the NFL. I hope they turn off the TV when any team that allowed this disrespect to occur, without consequence, on the sidelines. Time to change the channel. Col Jeffrey A Powers US
Condone: A MARINES
 LETTER TO THE NFL
 I've been a season pass holder at Yankee
 Stadium, Yale Bowl, and Giants Stadium
 I missed the '90-'91 season because I was
 with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm,
 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home
I’ve been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl and Giants Stadium. I missed the ’90-’91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm. 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home with the American Flag draped across their lifeless bodies. My last conversation with one of them, Sgt Garrett Mongrella, was about how our Giants were going to the Super Bowl. He never got to see it. Many friends, Marines, and Special Forces Soldiers who worked with or for me through the years returned home with the American Flag draped over their coffins. Now I watch multi-millionaire athletes who never did anything in their lives but play a game, disrespect what brave Americans fought and died for. They are essentially spitting in the faces and on the graves of real men, men who have actually done something for this country beside playing with a ball and believing they’re something special! They’re not! My Marines and Soldiers were! You are complicit in this! You’ll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the moral courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this. Yes, I know, it’s their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner. What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs! I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that’s much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn’t it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone? Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is OK? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multi-million dollar contracts for playing a freaking game! You condone it all by your refusal to act. You’re just as bad and disgusting as they are. I hope Americans boycott any sponsor who supports that rabble you call the NFL. I hope they turn off the TV when any team that allowed this disrespect to occur, without consequence, on the sidelines. Time to change the channel. Col Jeffrey A Powers US

I’ve been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl and Giants Stadium. I missed the ’90-’91 season because I was with a battalio...

Condone: spaced-queen: kenihana: weloveshortvideos: epic The only white foolishness I condone I love how he respected the force and threw himself back a reasonable force distance
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Condone: Video Surfaces Of Baseball Player Beating His Girlfriend In Texas Stadium Stairwell @balleralert 圈 Video Surfaces Of Baseball Player Beating His Girlfriend In Texas Stadium Stairwell - blogged by @MsJennyb (Video @tmz_tv) ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Former Houston Astros minor-leaguer, DanryVasquez has been kicked off a professional team in Pennsylvania after video surfaced of a domestic violence incident with his girlfriend. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Vasquez was arrested back in 2016 for the incident, where he assaulted his girlfriend in a Texas stadium. However, the case was dropped after the girlfriend refused to press charges. As a result, Vasquez went on with his life with a career. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ He eventually signed with Lancaster Barnstormers of the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball, since the Astros’ minor league affiliate dropped him in the wake of the incident. He was also ordered to complete anger management as a form of probation. However, once the terms were complete, the case was formally dismissed on March 6. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Now though, in the wake of the resurfacing of the surveillance footage from the incident, Vasquez has lost his job and has been reduced to a woman beater. (Well, at least that’s what his Wikipedia page says.) ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ “There is no choice but to sever the relationship,” the team’s manager said in a statement. “Neither I nor the Barnstormers’ organization as a whole, can condone or associate with that behavior.” ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ In the video obtained by KRIS-TV, Vasquez is seen walking into the stairwell at Whataburger Field in Corpus Christi with his girlfriend on Aug. 2. When the door closes behind him, he immediately slaps his girlfriend across the face. He then grabs her hair and drags her down the stairs before hitting her again. He then leaves and returns to hit her once more, making her fall to the ground.
Condone: Video Surfaces Of Baseball Player
 Beating His Girlfriend In Texas Stadium
 Stairwell
 @balleralert
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Video Surfaces Of Baseball Player Beating His Girlfriend In Texas Stadium Stairwell - blogged by @MsJennyb (Video @tmz_tv) ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Former Houston Astros minor-leaguer, DanryVasquez has been kicked off a professional team in Pennsylvania after video surfaced of a domestic violence incident with his girlfriend. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Vasquez was arrested back in 2016 for the incident, where he assaulted his girlfriend in a Texas stadium. However, the case was dropped after the girlfriend refused to press charges. As a result, Vasquez went on with his life with a career. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ He eventually signed with Lancaster Barnstormers of the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball, since the Astros’ minor league affiliate dropped him in the wake of the incident. He was also ordered to complete anger management as a form of probation. However, once the terms were complete, the case was formally dismissed on March 6. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Now though, in the wake of the resurfacing of the surveillance footage from the incident, Vasquez has lost his job and has been reduced to a woman beater. (Well, at least that’s what his Wikipedia page says.) ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ “There is no choice but to sever the relationship,” the team’s manager said in a statement. “Neither I nor the Barnstormers’ organization as a whole, can condone or associate with that behavior.” ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ In the video obtained by KRIS-TV, Vasquez is seen walking into the stairwell at Whataburger Field in Corpus Christi with his girlfriend on Aug. 2. When the door closes behind him, he immediately slaps his girlfriend across the face. He then grabs her hair and drags her down the stairs before hitting her again. He then leaves and returns to hit her once more, making her fall to the ground.

Video Surfaces Of Baseball Player Beating His Girlfriend In Texas Stadium Stairwell - blogged by @MsJennyb (Video @tmz_tv) ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Form...

Condone: I had to run into Walmart. I turned around to make sure my son was next to me. Instead of finding him by my side I found him kneeling in front of the missing children board praying. C/M)iff . #trainupachild #amazing very counts. ox. RELEASE 2200 Kathy Erin Oh please why doesn't he do something productive like go out and look for them Fri at 10:53 PM Like Reply20 LOOK AGAINI View 18 previous replies Donna Cunningham Kathy Erin May God... <p><a href="http://goingorthodox.tumblr.com/post/163620722335/libertarirynn-tcfkag-brehaaorgana" class="tumblr_blog">goingorthodox</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/163620629404/tcfkag-brehaaorgana-winterfells-walls" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="https://tcfkag.tumblr.com/post/163618985123/brehaaorgana-winterfells-walls" class="tumblr_blog">tcfkag</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://brehaaorgana.tumblr.com/post/163618122937/winterfells-walls-brehaaorgana" class="tumblr_blog">brehaaorgana</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://winterfells-walls.tumblr.com/post/163617263402/brehaaorgana-fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">winterfells-walls</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://brehaaorgana.tumblr.com/post/163613725082/fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">brehaaorgana</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://fromchaostocosmos.tumblr.com/post/163603183253/chiribomb-sonypraystation-kathy-with-the" class="tumblr_blog">fromchaostocosmos</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://chiribomb.tumblr.com/post/163589211377/sonypraystation-kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">chiribomb</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://sonypraystation.tumblr.com/post/163585263067/kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">sonypraystation</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>kathy with the scorching tea</p></blockquote> <p>Lazy-ass child</p> </blockquote> <p>anyone else really disturbed by the hashtag train up a child</p> <p>no seriously what the fuck</p> </blockquote> <p>I suspect a loooot of people don’t know that <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/10/03/did_the_disturbing_philosophy_of_how_to_train_up_a_child_lead_to.html">“train up a child”</a> is a reference to a book/method of raising children that is centered around regular and <b><i>extensive</i></b> child abuse, usually through beating the child in question. </p> <p>This image/screencap isn’t amusing or charming. I’m sure people thought it was “funny” because it’s super christian and therefore weird or incongruous with how we think kids should be/should act/alien to our own childhoods, but the reality is that<b> that mom just referenced a book that probably means she beats or starves her son. </b>[Note that the death cases have often been white xtian fundamentalists who have adopted black/African children.]</p> <p>If you’re not familiar with the Pearls and their book To Train Up a Child, here’s some links, which tend to be from horrified Christian parents. I can’t confirm or deny these are all good <i>websites</i>, but I know these are mostly about horror at the TTUAC method. <b>Trigger Warning for Child abuse and Murder</b>:</p> <ul><li> <a href="http://www.parentatthehelm.com/1298/speaking-up-children-trained-to-death-coverage-list-of-to-train-up-a-child-connection/">Speaking up against TTUAC</a> - more links documenting extensive/extreme child abuse, including child murder by parents using the TTUAC “method.”<br/></li> <li><a href="https://www.babble.com/mom/to-train-up-a-child-teaches-punishment-that-kills-kids/">Babble - TTUAC Book leads to multiple child deaths</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2011/october/when-child-discipline-becomes-abuse.html">Christianity Today: When Child Discipline becomes Abuse</a></li> <li> <a href="https://whynottrainachild.com/2010/04/20/quotes-from-ttuac/">Why Not to Train a Child</a> (quotes from the book, revealing that the Pearls advocate beating <i>infants.) </i> </li> <li><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/04/some-quotes-from-michael-pearl.html">Quotes from Michael Pearl</a></li> <li> <a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/26/acd.02.html">CNN transcript</a> from Anderson Cooper on the Death of Hana Williams/Interview with Pearl. </li> <li> <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2011/11/corpses-dont-rebel-a-former-follower-of-michael-pearls-to-train-up-a-child-reacts-to-the-death-of-hana-williams/">Corpses Don’t Rebel: A former follower of Michael Pearl’s “To Train Up A Child” reacts to the death of Hana William</a>s, from the blog No Longer Quivering<br/></li> <li> <a href="https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/the-abusive-teachings-of-michael-and-debi-pearl">The abusive teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl</a> <br/></li> <li> <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-1/">Liberty for Captives: to Train Up a Child Abuser</a> / <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-2/">pt 2</a> </li> <li><a href="https://katiekind.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/when-parenting-kills-what-can-we-do/">When Parenting Kills, What Can We Do?</a></li> <li> <a href="http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF230.pdf">“Christian Families on the Edge: Authoritarianism and Isolationism Among Us” </a>by Rachel D. Ramer for the Christian Research Institute<br/></li> <li><a href="http://thatmom.com/2010/02/17/child-abuse-in-the-name-of-jesus/">Child Abuse in the Name of Jesus</a></li> </ul><p>etc etc. This post isn’t funny or meme-worthy, it’s a sign that whoever knows this lady should consider calling CPS. </p> </blockquote> <p>Listen I know nothing about whatever book that is, I’ve never heard of it in my life and I grew up Christian and I’m still Christian. She was probably referencing, I don’t know, the BIBLE considering the first thing I thought of was that verse in proverbs that talks about training your children to do right while they’re young so they’ll do right when they’re adults but you know whatever. Like I definitely don’t condone any kind of child abuse (obviously) but assuming she’s referencing this book instead of something much more widely known is like accusing everyone who offhandedly mentions making a deal of referencing “the art of the deal” and being a trump supporter. There’s not really a correlation.</p> </blockquote> <p>I MEAN LIKE…. okay: I’ll admit I had a knee-jerk reaction to this. I’m fine with editing it down. I was responding to someone saying it made them uncomfortable (Jewish bloggers) and I… I mean look, I <i>know</i> it’s a biblical verse. I’ll grant that I perhaps <i>over-</i>emphasized my own personal connection with this specific verse and rampant abuse and child murder. It’s possible she just means raise your kids to be religious, and is an evangelical who doesn’t beat or starve her child. (God willing, that’s the case. I’ve never really heard that particular citation being quite as popular outside of evangelical circles)  </p> <p>But also…this is a very popular evangelical book on parenting that was linked to the deaths of several children, and you can’t exactly fault me for linking it to news cases that were considered pretty major less than ten years ago? </p> </blockquote> <p>In my whole life as a Christian in America, the only context I’ve ever heard the phrase “train up a child” is in reference to that horrific abusive book.</p> <p>Yes it’s referencing a bible verse, but I would bet that 99/100 times the people using it are at the very least influenced by How to Train Up a Child.</p> </blockquote> <p>Sorry but I think that estimate is waaaaaaay off. Perhaps you grew up in a very fundamental circle, but the book itself is not that widespread. According to some reports it has barely sold 10,000 copies in the last 16 years. That’s hardly an extremely popular book or grounds to assume that 99% of the time people saying that phrase are referencing it.</p> </blockquote> <p>Yeah my first thought was the Bible verse, and I even know about the Pearls (and will gladly rant with anyone about them, if you’d like) </p></blockquote> <p>Yeah I hate fundie garbage like that. But has it ever occurred to people that every Christian on the block would be beating their infants and leaving their kids to starve if these kind of methods were widespread? Here&rsquo;s a thought: they&rsquo;re not. There&rsquo;s absolutely no reason to launch such a heinous accusation of child abuse against a woman for using a simple hashtag of a common bible verse, no matter how corny you think she&rsquo;s being.</p>
Condone: I had to run into Walmart. I turned around to
 make sure my son was next to me. Instead
 of finding him by my side I found him
 kneeling in front of the missing children
 board praying. C/M)iff .
 #trainupachild
 #amazing
 very
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 something productive like go out and
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<p><a href="http://goingorthodox.tumblr.com/post/163620722335/libertarirynn-tcfkag-brehaaorgana" class="tumblr_blog">goingorthodox</a>:</p>

<blockquote><p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/163620629404/tcfkag-brehaaorgana-winterfells-walls" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p><blockquote>
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<p><a href="https://winterfells-walls.tumblr.com/post/163617263402/brehaaorgana-fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">winterfells-walls</a>:</p>
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<p><a href="http://fromchaostocosmos.tumblr.com/post/163603183253/chiribomb-sonypraystation-kathy-with-the" class="tumblr_blog">fromchaostocosmos</a>:</p>
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<p><a href="https://chiribomb.tumblr.com/post/163589211377/sonypraystation-kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">chiribomb</a>:</p>
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<p><a href="http://sonypraystation.tumblr.com/post/163585263067/kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">sonypraystation</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>kathy with the scorching tea</p></blockquote>

<p>Lazy-ass child</p>
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<p>anyone else really disturbed by the hashtag train up a child</p>
<p>no seriously what the fuck</p>
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<p>I suspect a loooot of people don’t know that <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/10/03/did_the_disturbing_philosophy_of_how_to_train_up_a_child_lead_to.html">“train up a child”</a> is a reference to a book/method of raising children that is centered around regular and <b><i>extensive</i></b> child abuse, usually through beating the child in question. </p>
<p>This image/screencap isn’t amusing or charming. I’m sure people thought it was “funny” because it’s super christian and therefore weird or incongruous with how we think kids should be/should act/alien to our own childhoods, but the reality is that<b> that mom just referenced a book that probably means she beats or starves her son. </b>[Note that the death cases have often been white xtian fundamentalists who have adopted black/African children.]</p>
<p>If you’re not familiar with the Pearls and their book To Train Up a Child, here’s some links, which tend to be from horrified Christian parents. I can’t confirm or deny these are all good <i>websites</i>, but I know these are mostly about horror at the TTUAC method. <b>Trigger Warning for Child abuse and Murder</b>:</p>
<ul><li>
<a href="http://www.parentatthehelm.com/1298/speaking-up-children-trained-to-death-coverage-list-of-to-train-up-a-child-connection/">Speaking up against TTUAC</a> - more links documenting extensive/extreme child abuse, including child murder by parents using the TTUAC “method.”<br/></li>
<li><a href="https://www.babble.com/mom/to-train-up-a-child-teaches-punishment-that-kills-kids/">Babble - TTUAC Book leads to multiple child deaths</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2011/october/when-child-discipline-becomes-abuse.html">Christianity Today: When Child Discipline becomes Abuse</a></li>
<li>
<a href="https://whynottrainachild.com/2010/04/20/quotes-from-ttuac/">Why Not to Train a Child</a> (quotes from the book, revealing that the Pearls advocate beating <i>infants.) </i>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/04/some-quotes-from-michael-pearl.html">Quotes from Michael Pearl</a></li>
<li>
<a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/26/acd.02.html">CNN transcript</a> from Anderson Cooper on the Death of Hana Williams/Interview with Pearl. </li>
<li>
<a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2011/11/corpses-dont-rebel-a-former-follower-of-michael-pearls-to-train-up-a-child-reacts-to-the-death-of-hana-williams/">Corpses Don’t Rebel: A former follower of Michael Pearl’s “To Train Up A Child” reacts to the death of Hana William</a>s, from the blog No Longer Quivering<br/></li>
<li>
<a href="https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/the-abusive-teachings-of-michael-and-debi-pearl">The abusive teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl</a> <br/></li>
<li>
<a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-1/">Liberty for Captives: to Train Up a Child Abuser</a> / <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-2/">pt 2</a>
</li>
<li><a href="https://katiekind.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/when-parenting-kills-what-can-we-do/">When Parenting Kills, What Can We Do?</a></li>
<li>
<a href="http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF230.pdf">“Christian Families on the Edge: Authoritarianism and Isolationism Among Us” </a>by Rachel D. Ramer for the Christian Research Institute<br/></li>
<li><a href="http://thatmom.com/2010/02/17/child-abuse-in-the-name-of-jesus/">Child Abuse in the Name of Jesus</a></li>
</ul><p>etc etc. This post isn’t funny or meme-worthy, it’s a sign that whoever knows this lady should consider calling CPS. </p>
</blockquote>

<p>Listen I know nothing about whatever book that is, I’ve never heard of it in my life and I grew up Christian and I’m still Christian. She was probably referencing, I don’t know, the BIBLE considering the first thing I thought of was that verse in proverbs that talks about training your children to do right while they’re young so they’ll do right when they’re adults but you know whatever. Like I definitely don’t condone any kind of child abuse (obviously) but assuming she’s referencing this book instead of something much more widely known is like accusing everyone who offhandedly mentions making a deal of referencing “the art of the deal” and being a trump supporter. There’s not really a correlation.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I MEAN LIKE…. okay: I’ll admit I had a knee-jerk reaction to this. I’m fine with editing it down. I was responding to someone saying it made them uncomfortable (Jewish bloggers) and I… I mean look, I <i>know</i> it’s a biblical verse. I’ll grant that I perhaps <i>over-</i>emphasized my own personal connection with this specific verse and rampant abuse and child murder. It’s possible she just means raise your kids to be religious, and is an evangelical who doesn’t beat or starve her child. (God willing, that’s the case. I’ve never really heard that particular citation being quite as popular outside of evangelical circles)  </p>
<p>But also…this is a very popular evangelical book on parenting that was linked to the deaths of several children, and you can’t exactly fault me for linking it to news cases that were considered pretty major less than ten years ago? </p>
</blockquote>

<p>In my whole life as a Christian in America, the only context I’ve ever heard the phrase “train up a child” is in reference to that horrific abusive book.</p>
<p>Yes it’s referencing a bible verse, but I would bet that 99/100 times the people using it are at the very least influenced by How to Train Up a Child.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Sorry but I think that estimate is waaaaaaay off. Perhaps you grew up in a very fundamental circle, but the book itself is not that widespread. According to some reports it has barely sold 10,000 copies in the last 16 years. That’s hardly an extremely popular book or grounds to assume that 99% of the time people saying that phrase are referencing it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yeah my first thought was the Bible verse, and I even know about the Pearls (and will gladly rant with anyone about them, if you’d like) </p></blockquote>

<p>Yeah I hate fundie garbage like that. But has it ever occurred to people that every Christian on the block would be beating their infants and leaving their kids to starve if these kind of methods were widespread? Here&rsquo;s a thought: they&rsquo;re not. There&rsquo;s absolutely no reason to launch such a heinous accusation of child abuse against a woman for using a simple hashtag of a common bible verse, no matter how corny you think she&rsquo;s being.</p>

<p><a href="http://goingorthodox.tumblr.com/post/163620722335/libertarirynn-tcfkag-brehaaorgana" class="tumblr_blog">goingorthodox</a>:</...

Condone: I had to run into Walmart. I turned around to make sure my son was next to me. Instead of finding him by my side I found him kneeling in front of the missing children board praying. C/M)iff . #trainupachild #amazing very counts. ox. RELEASE 2200 Kathy Erin Oh please why doesn't he do something productive like go out and look for them Fri at 10:53 PM Like Reply20 LOOK AGAINI View 18 previous replies Donna Cunningham Kathy Erin May God... <p><a href="https://tcfkag.tumblr.com/post/163618985123/brehaaorgana-winterfells-walls" class="tumblr_blog">tcfkag</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="http://brehaaorgana.tumblr.com/post/163618122937/winterfells-walls-brehaaorgana" class="tumblr_blog">brehaaorgana</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="https://winterfells-walls.tumblr.com/post/163617263402/brehaaorgana-fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">winterfells-walls</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="http://brehaaorgana.tumblr.com/post/163613725082/fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">brehaaorgana</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://fromchaostocosmos.tumblr.com/post/163603183253/chiribomb-sonypraystation-kathy-with-the" class="tumblr_blog">fromchaostocosmos</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://chiribomb.tumblr.com/post/163589211377/sonypraystation-kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">chiribomb</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://sonypraystation.tumblr.com/post/163585263067/kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">sonypraystation</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>kathy with the scorching tea</p></blockquote> <p>Lazy-ass child</p> </blockquote> <p>anyone else really disturbed by the hashtag train up a child</p> <p>no seriously what the fuck</p> </blockquote> <p>I suspect a loooot of people don’t know that <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/10/03/did_the_disturbing_philosophy_of_how_to_train_up_a_child_lead_to.html">“train up a child”</a> is a reference to a book/method of raising children that is centered around regular and <b><i>extensive</i></b> child abuse, usually through beating the child in question. </p> <p>This image/screencap isn’t amusing or charming. I’m sure people thought it was “funny” because it’s super christian and therefore weird or incongruous with how we think kids should be/should act/alien to our own childhoods, but the reality is that<b> that mom just referenced a book that probably means she beats or starves her son. </b>[Note that the death cases have often been white xtian fundamentalists who have adopted black/African children.]</p> <p>If you’re not familiar with the Pearls and their book To Train Up a Child, here’s some links, which tend to be from horrified Christian parents. I can’t confirm or deny these are all good <i>websites</i>, but I know these are mostly about horror at the TTUAC method. <b>Trigger Warning for Child abuse and Murder</b>:</p> <ul><li> <a href="http://www.parentatthehelm.com/1298/speaking-up-children-trained-to-death-coverage-list-of-to-train-up-a-child-connection/">Speaking up against TTUAC</a> - more links documenting extensive/extreme child abuse, including child murder by parents using the TTUAC “method.”<br/></li> <li><a href="https://www.babble.com/mom/to-train-up-a-child-teaches-punishment-that-kills-kids/">Babble - TTUAC Book leads to multiple child deaths</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2011/october/when-child-discipline-becomes-abuse.html">Christianity Today: When Child Discipline becomes Abuse</a></li> <li> <a href="https://whynottrainachild.com/2010/04/20/quotes-from-ttuac/">Why Not to Train a Child</a> (quotes from the book, revealing that the Pearls advocate beating <i>infants.) </i> </li> <li><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/04/some-quotes-from-michael-pearl.html">Quotes from Michael Pearl</a></li> <li> <a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/26/acd.02.html">CNN transcript</a> from Anderson Cooper on the Death of Hana Williams/Interview with Pearl. </li> <li> <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2011/11/corpses-dont-rebel-a-former-follower-of-michael-pearls-to-train-up-a-child-reacts-to-the-death-of-hana-williams/">Corpses Don’t Rebel: A former follower of Michael Pearl’s “To Train Up A Child” reacts to the death of Hana William</a>s, from the blog No Longer Quivering<br/></li> <li> <a href="https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/the-abusive-teachings-of-michael-and-debi-pearl">The abusive teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl</a> <br/></li> <li> <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-1/">Liberty for Captives: to Train Up a Child Abuser</a> / <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-2/">pt 2</a> </li> <li><a href="https://katiekind.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/when-parenting-kills-what-can-we-do/">When Parenting Kills, What Can We Do?</a></li> <li> <a href="http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF230.pdf">“Christian Families on the Edge: Authoritarianism and Isolationism Among Us” </a>by Rachel D. Ramer for the Christian Research Institute<br/></li> <li><a href="http://thatmom.com/2010/02/17/child-abuse-in-the-name-of-jesus/">Child Abuse in the Name of Jesus</a></li> </ul><p>etc etc. This post isn’t funny or meme-worthy, it’s a sign that whoever knows this lady should consider calling CPS. </p> </blockquote> <p>Listen I know nothing about whatever book that is, I’ve never heard of it in my life and I grew up Christian and I’m still Christian. She was probably referencing, I don’t know, the BIBLE considering the first thing I thought of was that verse in proverbs that talks about training your children to do right while they’re young so they’ll do right when they’re adults but you know whatever. Like I definitely don’t condone any kind of child abuse (obviously) but assuming she’s referencing this book instead of something much more widely known is like accusing everyone who offhandedly mentions making a deal of referencing “the art of the deal” and being a trump supporter. There’s not really a correlation.</p> </blockquote> <p>I MEAN LIKE…. okay: I’ll admit I had a knee-jerk reaction to this. I’m fine with editing it down. I was responding to someone saying it made them uncomfortable (Jewish bloggers) and I… I mean look, I <i>know</i> it’s a biblical verse. I’ll grant that I perhaps <i>over-</i>emphasized my own personal connection with this specific verse and rampant abuse and child murder. It’s possible she just means raise your kids to be religious, and is an evangelical who doesn’t beat or starve her child. (God willing, that’s the case. I’ve never really heard that particular citation being quite as popular outside of evangelical circles)  </p><p>But also…this is a very popular evangelical book on parenting that was linked to the deaths of several children, and you can’t exactly fault me for linking it to news cases that were considered pretty major less than ten years ago? </p></blockquote> <p>In my whole life as a Christian in America, the only context I’ve ever heard the phrase “train up a child” is in reference to that horrific abusive book.</p><p>Yes it’s referencing a bible verse, but I would bet that 99/100 times the people using it are at the very least influenced by How to Train Up a Child.</p></blockquote> <p>Sorry but I think that estimate is waaaaaaay off. Perhaps you grew up in a very fundamental circle, but the book itself is not that widespread. According to some reports it has barely sold 10,000 copies in the last 16 years. That&rsquo;s hardly an extremely popular book or grounds to assume that 99% of the time people saying that phrase are referencing it.</p>
Condone: I had to run into Walmart. I turned around to
 make sure my son was next to me. Instead
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 kneeling in front of the missing children
 board praying. C/M)iff .
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<p><a href="https://tcfkag.tumblr.com/post/163618985123/brehaaorgana-winterfells-walls" class="tumblr_blog">tcfkag</a>:</p>

<blockquote><p><a href="http://brehaaorgana.tumblr.com/post/163618122937/winterfells-walls-brehaaorgana" class="tumblr_blog">brehaaorgana</a>:</p>

<blockquote><p><a href="https://winterfells-walls.tumblr.com/post/163617263402/brehaaorgana-fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">winterfells-walls</a>:</p><blockquote>
<p><a href="http://brehaaorgana.tumblr.com/post/163613725082/fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">brehaaorgana</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
<p><a href="http://fromchaostocosmos.tumblr.com/post/163603183253/chiribomb-sonypraystation-kathy-with-the" class="tumblr_blog">fromchaostocosmos</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://chiribomb.tumblr.com/post/163589211377/sonypraystation-kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">chiribomb</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="http://sonypraystation.tumblr.com/post/163585263067/kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">sonypraystation</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>kathy with the scorching tea</p></blockquote>

<p>Lazy-ass child</p>
</blockquote>
<p>anyone else really disturbed by the hashtag train up a child</p>
<p>no seriously what the fuck</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I suspect a loooot of people don’t know that <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/10/03/did_the_disturbing_philosophy_of_how_to_train_up_a_child_lead_to.html">“train up a child”</a> is a reference to a book/method of raising children that is centered around regular and <b><i>extensive</i></b> child abuse, usually through beating the child in question. </p>
<p>This image/screencap isn’t amusing or charming. I’m sure people thought it was “funny” because it’s super christian and therefore weird or incongruous with how we think kids should be/should act/alien to our own childhoods, but the reality is that<b> that mom just referenced a book that probably means she beats or starves her son. </b>[Note that the death cases have often been white xtian fundamentalists who have adopted black/African children.]</p>
<p>If you’re not familiar with the Pearls and their book To Train Up a Child, here’s some links, which tend to be from horrified Christian parents. I can’t confirm or deny these are all good <i>websites</i>, but I know these are mostly about horror at the TTUAC method. <b>Trigger Warning for Child abuse and Murder</b>:</p>
<ul><li>
<a href="http://www.parentatthehelm.com/1298/speaking-up-children-trained-to-death-coverage-list-of-to-train-up-a-child-connection/">Speaking up against TTUAC</a> - more links documenting extensive/extreme child abuse, including child murder by parents using the TTUAC “method.”<br/></li>
<li><a href="https://www.babble.com/mom/to-train-up-a-child-teaches-punishment-that-kills-kids/">Babble - TTUAC Book leads to multiple child deaths</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2011/october/when-child-discipline-becomes-abuse.html">Christianity Today: When Child Discipline becomes Abuse</a></li>
<li>
<a href="https://whynottrainachild.com/2010/04/20/quotes-from-ttuac/">Why Not to Train a Child</a> (quotes from the book, revealing that the Pearls advocate beating <i>infants.) </i>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/04/some-quotes-from-michael-pearl.html">Quotes from Michael Pearl</a></li>
<li>
<a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/26/acd.02.html">CNN transcript</a> from Anderson Cooper on the Death of Hana Williams/Interview with Pearl. </li>
<li>
<a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2011/11/corpses-dont-rebel-a-former-follower-of-michael-pearls-to-train-up-a-child-reacts-to-the-death-of-hana-williams/">Corpses Don’t Rebel: A former follower of Michael Pearl’s “To Train Up A Child” reacts to the death of Hana William</a>s, from the blog No Longer Quivering<br/></li>
<li>
<a href="https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/the-abusive-teachings-of-michael-and-debi-pearl">The abusive teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl</a> <br/></li>
<li>
<a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-1/">Liberty for Captives: to Train Up a Child Abuser</a> / <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-2/">pt 2</a>
</li>
<li><a href="https://katiekind.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/when-parenting-kills-what-can-we-do/">When Parenting Kills, What Can We Do?</a></li>
<li>
<a href="http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF230.pdf">“Christian Families on the Edge: Authoritarianism and Isolationism Among Us” </a>by Rachel D. Ramer for the Christian Research Institute<br/></li>
<li><a href="http://thatmom.com/2010/02/17/child-abuse-in-the-name-of-jesus/">Child Abuse in the Name of Jesus</a></li>
</ul><p>etc etc. This post isn’t funny or meme-worthy, it’s a sign that whoever knows this lady should consider calling CPS. </p>
</blockquote>

<p>Listen I know nothing about whatever book that is, I’ve never heard of it in my life and I grew up Christian and I’m still Christian. She was probably referencing, I don’t know, the BIBLE considering the first thing I thought of was that verse in proverbs that talks about training your children to do right while they’re young so they’ll do right when they’re adults but you know whatever. Like I definitely don’t condone any kind of child abuse (obviously) but assuming she’s referencing this book instead of something much more widely known is like accusing everyone who offhandedly mentions making a deal of referencing “the art of the deal” and being a trump supporter. There’s not really a correlation.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I MEAN LIKE…. okay: I’ll admit I had a knee-jerk reaction to this. I’m fine with editing it down. I was responding to someone saying it made them uncomfortable (Jewish bloggers) and I… I mean look, I <i>know</i> it’s a biblical verse. I’ll grant that I perhaps <i>over-</i>emphasized my own personal connection with this specific verse and rampant abuse and child murder. It’s possible she just means raise your kids to be religious, and is an evangelical who doesn’t beat or starve her child. (God willing, that’s the case. I’ve never really heard that particular citation being quite as popular outside of evangelical circles)  </p><p>But also…this is a very popular evangelical book on parenting that was linked to the deaths of several children, and you can’t exactly fault me for linking it to news cases that were considered pretty major less than ten years ago? </p></blockquote>

<p>In my whole life as a Christian in America, the only context I’ve ever heard the phrase “train up a child” is in reference to that horrific abusive book.</p><p>Yes it’s referencing a bible verse, but I would bet that 99/100 times the people using it are at the very least influenced by How to Train Up a Child.</p></blockquote>

<p>Sorry but I think that estimate is waaaaaaay off. Perhaps you grew up in a very fundamental circle, but the book itself is not that widespread. According to some reports it has barely sold 10,000 copies in the last 16 years. That&rsquo;s hardly an extremely popular book or grounds to assume that 99% of the time people saying that phrase are referencing it.</p>

<p><a href="https://tcfkag.tumblr.com/post/163618985123/brehaaorgana-winterfells-walls" class="tumblr_blog">tcfkag</a>:</p> <blockquote>...

Condone: I had to run into Walmart. I turned around to make sure my son was next to me. Instead of finding him by my side I found him kneeling in front of the missing children board praying. C/M)iff . #trainupachild #amazing very counts. ox. RELEASE 2200 Kathy Erin Oh please why doesn't he do something productive like go out and look for them Fri at 10:53 PM Like Reply20 LOOK AGAINI View 18 previous replies Donna Cunningham Kathy Erin May God... <p><a href="http://brehaaorgana.tumblr.com/post/163618122937/winterfells-walls-brehaaorgana" class="tumblr_blog">brehaaorgana</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="https://winterfells-walls.tumblr.com/post/163617263402/brehaaorgana-fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">winterfells-walls</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://brehaaorgana.tumblr.com/post/163613725082/fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">brehaaorgana</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://fromchaostocosmos.tumblr.com/post/163603183253/chiribomb-sonypraystation-kathy-with-the" class="tumblr_blog">fromchaostocosmos</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://chiribomb.tumblr.com/post/163589211377/sonypraystation-kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">chiribomb</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://sonypraystation.tumblr.com/post/163585263067/kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">sonypraystation</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>kathy with the scorching tea</p></blockquote> <p>Lazy-ass child</p> </blockquote> <p>anyone else really disturbed by the hashtag train up a child</p> <p>no seriously what the fuck</p> </blockquote> <p>I suspect a loooot of people don’t know that <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/10/03/did_the_disturbing_philosophy_of_how_to_train_up_a_child_lead_to.html">“train up a child”</a> is a reference to a book/method of raising children that is centered around regular and <b><i>extensive</i></b> child abuse, usually through beating the child in question. </p> <p>This image/screencap isn’t amusing or charming. I’m sure people thought it was “funny” because it’s super christian and therefore weird or incongruous with how we think kids should be/should act/alien to our own childhoods, but the reality is that<b> that mom just referenced a book that probably means she beats or starves her son. </b>[Note that the death cases have often been white xtian fundamentalists who have adopted black/African children.]</p> <p>If you’re not familiar with the Pearls and their book To Train Up a Child, here’s some links, which tend to be from horrified Christian parents. I can’t confirm or deny these are all good <i>websites</i>, but I know these are mostly about horror at the TTUAC method. <b>Trigger Warning for Child abuse and Murder</b>:</p> <ul><li> <a href="http://www.parentatthehelm.com/1298/speaking-up-children-trained-to-death-coverage-list-of-to-train-up-a-child-connection/">Speaking up against TTUAC</a> - more links documenting extensive/extreme child abuse, including child murder by parents using the TTUAC “method.”<br/></li> <li><a href="https://www.babble.com/mom/to-train-up-a-child-teaches-punishment-that-kills-kids/">Babble - TTUAC Book leads to multiple child deaths</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2011/october/when-child-discipline-becomes-abuse.html">Christianity Today: When Child Discipline becomes Abuse</a></li> <li> <a href="https://whynottrainachild.com/2010/04/20/quotes-from-ttuac/">Why Not to Train a Child</a> (quotes from the book, revealing that the Pearls advocate beating <i>infants.) </i> </li> <li><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/04/some-quotes-from-michael-pearl.html">Quotes from Michael Pearl</a></li> <li> <a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/26/acd.02.html">CNN transcript</a> from Anderson Cooper on the Death of Hana Williams/Interview with Pearl. </li> <li> <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2011/11/corpses-dont-rebel-a-former-follower-of-michael-pearls-to-train-up-a-child-reacts-to-the-death-of-hana-williams/">Corpses Don’t Rebel: A former follower of Michael Pearl’s “To Train Up A Child” reacts to the death of Hana William</a>s, from the blog No Longer Quivering<br/></li> <li> <a href="https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/the-abusive-teachings-of-michael-and-debi-pearl">The abusive teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl</a> <br/></li> <li> <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-1/">Liberty for Captives: to Train Up a Child Abuser</a> / <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-2/">pt 2</a> </li> <li><a href="https://katiekind.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/when-parenting-kills-what-can-we-do/">When Parenting Kills, What Can We Do?</a></li> <li> <a href="http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF230.pdf">“Christian Families on the Edge: Authoritarianism and Isolationism Among Us” </a>by Rachel D. Ramer for the Christian Research Institute<br/></li> <li><a href="http://thatmom.com/2010/02/17/child-abuse-in-the-name-of-jesus/">Child Abuse in the Name of Jesus</a></li> </ul><p>etc etc. This post isn’t funny or meme-worthy, it’s a sign that whoever knows this lady should consider calling CPS. </p> </blockquote> <p>Listen I know nothing about whatever book that is, I’ve never heard of it in my life and I grew up Christian and I’m still Christian. She was probably referencing, I don’t know, the BIBLE considering the first thing I thought of was that verse in proverbs that talks about training your children to do right while they’re young so they’ll do right when they’re adults but you know whatever. Like I definitely don’t condone any kind of child abuse (obviously) but assuming she’s referencing this book instead of something much more widely known is like accusing everyone who offhandedly mentions making a deal of referencing “the art of the deal” and being a trump supporter. There’s not really a correlation.</p> </blockquote> <p>I MEAN LIKE…. okay: I’ll admit I had a knee-jerk reaction to this. I’m fine with editing it down. I was responding to someone saying it made them uncomfortable (Jewish bloggers) and I… I mean look, I <i>know</i> it’s a biblical verse. I’ll grant that I perhaps <i>over-</i>emphasized my own personal connection with this specific verse and rampant abuse and child murder. It’s possible she just means raise your kids to be religious, and is an evangelical who doesn’t beat or starve her child. (God willing, that’s the case. I’ve never really heard that particular citation being quite as popular outside of evangelical circles)  </p> <p>But also…this is a very popular evangelical book on parenting that was linked to the deaths of several children, and you can’t exactly fault me for linking it to news cases that were considered pretty major less than ten years ago? </p> </blockquote> <p>I’ve grown up as evangelical as it gets and I’ve never heard of this book. I’m not saying it’s not popular in some circles, but I have never experienced it and I grew up homeschooled and surrounded by other evangelical homeschoolers and none of them believe in beating their infants so maybe this isn’t as widespread as you’re thinking but idk. At any rate I hardly think it’s fair to accuse the woman of child abuse simply because she hashtaged a Bible Verse that also happens to be the name of a stupid book.</p>
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<p><a href="https://winterfells-walls.tumblr.com/post/163617263402/brehaaorgana-fromchaostocosmos-chiribomb" class="tumblr_blog">winterfells-walls</a>:</p>
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<p><a href="http://fromchaostocosmos.tumblr.com/post/163603183253/chiribomb-sonypraystation-kathy-with-the" class="tumblr_blog">fromchaostocosmos</a>:</p>
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<p><a href="https://chiribomb.tumblr.com/post/163589211377/sonypraystation-kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">chiribomb</a>:</p>
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<p><a href="http://sonypraystation.tumblr.com/post/163585263067/kathy-with-the-scorching-tea" class="tumblr_blog">sonypraystation</a>:</p>
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<p>Lazy-ass child</p>
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<p>anyone else really disturbed by the hashtag train up a child</p>
<p>no seriously what the fuck</p>
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<p>I suspect a loooot of people don’t know that <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/10/03/did_the_disturbing_philosophy_of_how_to_train_up_a_child_lead_to.html">“train up a child”</a> is a reference to a book/method of raising children that is centered around regular and <b><i>extensive</i></b> child abuse, usually through beating the child in question. </p>
<p>This image/screencap isn’t amusing or charming. I’m sure people thought it was “funny” because it’s super christian and therefore weird or incongruous with how we think kids should be/should act/alien to our own childhoods, but the reality is that<b> that mom just referenced a book that probably means she beats or starves her son. </b>[Note that the death cases have often been white xtian fundamentalists who have adopted black/African children.]</p>
<p>If you’re not familiar with the Pearls and their book To Train Up a Child, here’s some links, which tend to be from horrified Christian parents. I can’t confirm or deny these are all good <i>websites</i>, but I know these are mostly about horror at the TTUAC method. <b>Trigger Warning for Child abuse and Murder</b>:</p>
<ul><li>
<a href="http://www.parentatthehelm.com/1298/speaking-up-children-trained-to-death-coverage-list-of-to-train-up-a-child-connection/">Speaking up against TTUAC</a> - more links documenting extensive/extreme child abuse, including child murder by parents using the TTUAC “method.”<br/></li>
<li><a href="https://www.babble.com/mom/to-train-up-a-child-teaches-punishment-that-kills-kids/">Babble - TTUAC Book leads to multiple child deaths</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2011/october/when-child-discipline-becomes-abuse.html">Christianity Today: When Child Discipline becomes Abuse</a></li>
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<a href="https://whynottrainachild.com/2010/04/20/quotes-from-ttuac/">Why Not to Train a Child</a> (quotes from the book, revealing that the Pearls advocate beating <i>infants.) </i>
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<li><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/04/some-quotes-from-michael-pearl.html">Quotes from Michael Pearl</a></li>
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<a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/26/acd.02.html">CNN transcript</a> from Anderson Cooper on the Death of Hana Williams/Interview with Pearl. </li>
<li>
<a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2011/11/corpses-dont-rebel-a-former-follower-of-michael-pearls-to-train-up-a-child-reacts-to-the-death-of-hana-williams/">Corpses Don’t Rebel: A former follower of Michael Pearl’s “To Train Up A Child” reacts to the death of Hana William</a>s, from the blog No Longer Quivering<br/></li>
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<a href="https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/the-abusive-teachings-of-michael-and-debi-pearl">The abusive teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl</a> <br/></li>
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<a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-1/">Liberty for Captives: to Train Up a Child Abuser</a> / <a href="https://libertyforcaptives.com/2014/01/11/to-train-up-a-child-abuser-part-2/">pt 2</a>
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<li><a href="https://katiekind.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/when-parenting-kills-what-can-we-do/">When Parenting Kills, What Can We Do?</a></li>
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<a href="http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF230.pdf">“Christian Families on the Edge: Authoritarianism and Isolationism Among Us” </a>by Rachel D. Ramer for the Christian Research Institute<br/></li>
<li><a href="http://thatmom.com/2010/02/17/child-abuse-in-the-name-of-jesus/">Child Abuse in the Name of Jesus</a></li>
</ul><p>etc etc. This post isn’t funny or meme-worthy, it’s a sign that whoever knows this lady should consider calling CPS. </p>
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<p>Listen I know nothing about whatever book that is, I’ve never heard of it in my life and I grew up Christian and I’m still Christian. She was probably referencing, I don’t know, the BIBLE considering the first thing I thought of was that verse in proverbs that talks about training your children to do right while they’re young so they’ll do right when they’re adults but you know whatever. Like I definitely don’t condone any kind of child abuse (obviously) but assuming she’s referencing this book instead of something much more widely known is like accusing everyone who offhandedly mentions making a deal of referencing “the art of the deal” and being a trump supporter. There’s not really a correlation.</p>
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<p>I MEAN LIKE…. okay: I’ll admit I had a knee-jerk reaction to this. I’m fine with editing it down. I was responding to someone saying it made them uncomfortable (Jewish bloggers) and I… I mean look, I <i>know</i> it’s a biblical verse. I’ll grant that I perhaps <i>over-</i>emphasized my own personal connection with this specific verse and rampant abuse and child murder. It’s possible she just means raise your kids to be religious, and is an evangelical who doesn’t beat or starve her child. (God willing, that’s the case. I’ve never really heard that particular citation being quite as popular outside of evangelical circles)  </p>
<p>But also…this is a very popular evangelical book on parenting that was linked to the deaths of several children, and you can’t exactly fault me for linking it to news cases that were considered pretty major less than ten years ago? </p>
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<p>I’ve grown up as evangelical as it gets and I’ve never heard of this book. I’m not saying it’s not popular in some circles, but I have never experienced it and I grew up homeschooled and surrounded by other evangelical homeschoolers and none of them believe in beating their infants so maybe this isn’t as widespread as you’re thinking but idk. At any rate I hardly think it’s fair to accuse the woman of child abuse simply because she hashtaged a Bible Verse that also happens to be the name of a stupid book.</p>

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Condone: Not that I condone it. I've never condoned snubbing in my administration. costanzagrams
Condone: Not that I condone it. I've never condoned snubbing in my administration. costanzagrams

Not that I condone it. I've never condoned snubbing in my administration. costanzagrams