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Being Alone, Apparently, and Bad: Sp3ctre7171 points 3 hours ago You are absolutely correct 1) Miro learned to use the mobility of Winston, as well as his primal, to invent modern dive. He learned all of the tips and tricks and extracted extra value out of the hero that few realized was there. In doing so, he created a role that used main tank as an offensive centerpiece and threat to the backline, and all of a sudden flank heroes weren't alone. A poorly protected ana in the back could be beset by multiple members of the enemy team without much warning. However, this required both new gamesense from miro, and innovations in lucio play from Tobi. Specifically, tobi was able to peel for jehong better than many players thought was possible, compensating for the lack of defensive shields. The compounding innovation led to LH being an offensive threat at every position, and it made it possible for them to do the miraculous turnarounds that defined their APEX championship runs Playing against them was exhausting, as is expected from a team where any one member can wipe you out if left unchecked. 2) Gesture's contribution was twofold. Firstly, he extracted more value out of winston's kit on the defensive side, learning how to use primal both to continue an attack, and to peel for his own back line, which leads into his second main development. That being, under Gesture the final decision was made to transfer shotcalling duties from the main support (lucio and later mercy) and onto the main tank, primarily because engagements were no longer dictated by speed boost, but by the dive from the main tank. Together with the rest of GC Busan, Gesture planned, called, and executed crisp dives that were far better timed and aimed than those of old LH. Whereas Miro's dives were a terror because you would be under attack from multiple divers, the style that Gesture led the way on involved being instantly deleted by a full dive, where a healer pair could be hit with burst from multiple heroes in the same instant. This in turn changed the Winston interplay into a mind game, where there was a choice to be made between deleting the enemy's backline and attempting to save your own. Winston players were forced to learn how to make each leap and pincer engage perfect, or they would simply lose the fight Permalink Embed Save Parent Report Give Gold Reply Sp3ctre7160 points 3 hours ago (Continued) 3) what guxue is introducing is a Winston as the focus of a dive, not just the linchpin. While that sounds like the same thing previously, the Winston would be used to coordinate dives and call the timing, but with Guxue, resources are poured into the Winston to make sure that he can have offensive value. Both because Winston can do damage to the whole team at once (and thus build ult insanely fast against teams pocketing a zen, or against GOATS comps), but also because Winston can simultaneously disrupt the escape methods for healers AND bypass most of the ways in which healers are protected, such as matrix and shields Guxue's innovations are most similar to miro's in that they are mostly focused on a single player's style and that one hero's impact in a game. Changing the offensive presence of a hero is impactful and increases the visible skill gap between good and bad teams, but the effects are mostly limited to that one hero. For that reason, I think that the innovations brought forth by Gesture (and many others) are the most important to the development of modern Winston play, in that they represented a fundamental change in the whole shotcalling and tactical philosophy of dive teams, and opened the gates to the more complex and match specific strategies that we saw in the overwatch league owldesk: some really good tank playstyle analysis on reddit (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon and you better BELIEVE i’m gonna link them bc if they’re anything like this write up they’ll be great)
Being Alone, Apparently, and Bad: Sp3ctre7171 points 3 hours ago
 You are absolutely correct
 1) Miro learned to use the mobility of Winston, as well as his primal, to invent modern dive. He learned all of the tips and tricks
 and extracted extra value out of the hero that few realized was there. In doing so, he created a role that used main tank as an
 offensive centerpiece and threat to the backline, and all of a sudden flank heroes weren't alone. A poorly protected ana in the
 back could be beset by multiple members of the enemy team without much warning. However, this required both new gamesense
 from miro, and innovations in lucio play from Tobi. Specifically, tobi was able to peel for jehong better than many players thought
 was possible, compensating for the lack of defensive shields. The compounding innovation led to LH being an offensive threat at
 every position, and it made it possible for them to do the miraculous turnarounds that defined their APEX championship runs
 Playing against them was exhausting, as is expected from a team where any one member can wipe you out if left unchecked.
 2) Gesture's contribution was twofold. Firstly, he extracted more value out of winston's kit on the defensive side, learning how to
 use primal both to continue an attack, and to peel for his own back line, which leads into his second main development. That
 being, under Gesture the final decision was made to transfer shotcalling duties from the main support (lucio and later mercy) and
 onto the main tank, primarily because engagements were no longer dictated by speed boost, but by the dive from the main tank.
 Together with the rest of GC Busan, Gesture planned, called, and executed crisp dives that were far better timed and aimed than
 those of old LH. Whereas Miro's dives were a terror because you would be under attack from multiple divers, the style that
 Gesture led the way on involved being instantly deleted by a full dive, where a healer pair could be hit with burst from multiple
 heroes in the same instant. This in turn changed the Winston interplay into a mind game, where there was a choice to be made
 between deleting the enemy's backline and attempting to save your own. Winston players were forced to learn how to make each
 leap and pincer engage perfect, or they would simply lose the fight
 Permalink Embed Save Parent Report Give Gold Reply
 Sp3ctre7160 points 3 hours ago
 (Continued)
 3) what guxue is introducing is a Winston as the focus of a dive, not just the linchpin. While that sounds like the same thing
 previously, the Winston would be used to coordinate dives and call the timing, but with Guxue, resources are poured into the
 Winston to make sure that he can have offensive value. Both because Winston can do damage to the whole team at once (and
 thus build ult insanely fast against teams pocketing a zen, or against GOATS comps), but also because Winston can
 simultaneously disrupt the escape methods for healers AND bypass most of the ways in which healers are protected, such as
 matrix and shields
 Guxue's innovations are most similar to miro's in that they are mostly focused on a single player's style and that one hero's impact
 in a game. Changing the offensive presence of a hero is impactful and increases the visible skill gap between good and bad
 teams, but the effects are mostly limited to that one hero. For that reason, I think that the innovations brought forth by Gesture
 (and many others) are the most important to the development of modern Winston play, in that they represented a fundamental
 change in the whole shotcalling and tactical philosophy of dive teams, and opened the gates to the more complex and match
 specific strategies that we saw in the overwatch league
owldesk:

some really good tank playstyle analysis on reddit (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon and you better BELIEVE i’m gonna link them bc if they’re anything like this write up they’ll be great)

owldesk: some really good tank playstyle analysis on reddit (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon a...

Power, White, and White Power: DANGEROUS White Supremist doing White power gesture, 2019, colorized
Power, White, and White Power: DANGEROUS White Supremist doing White power gesture, 2019, colorized

DANGEROUS White Supremist doing White power gesture, 2019, colorized

Beautiful, Complex, and Food: delladilly do you ever see someone in some quiet intimate moment and suddenly love them so desperately you feel like you're dying #1ike when they pass a mirror and make a face and mess with their hair a little #or when you hear someone singing in their car with the windows rolled up as they drive past you #1 don't know how to express this i ust and it makes me so sad and filled up sometimes le are le mrrrl I love seeing grown humans setting about little creative tasks out of boredom and then looking quietly pleased with themselves, like maybe a middle-aged woman on her train home from work manages to make a tower out of empty coffee creamers and gazes at it proudly for a few seconds I love seeing other people make the overblown OOPS I FORGOT SOMETHING performance for no-one that most of us do when we have to turn around in the middle of the pavement. I love seeing stony-faced people in queues unable to contain a smile when a baby looking over its mother's shoulder in front of them locks eyes and does that astonished stare brittajj26 when someone is standing in line and they don't quite dance to the music playing, but you can SEE their head bop and them mouthing the words when someone thinks no one's paying attention and they sing-talk themselves thru a task when they laugh or try to hide a laugh when looking at their phone elodieunderglass when someone does the thing where they enter another space (such as a supermarket aisle) striding with total purpose, then suddenly forget what they re doing/looking for, and stop there looking blank for a millisecond while they reboot. when people are looking for scissors, in their home or in a store, and they make the scissors gesture with their non-dominant hand as an aid to remind them what they're doing - when automatic social interactions glitch, like when you tell a waiter that you hope he enjoys his food too, or tell the stranger on the phone that you love them the hand gesture people make when they're thinking at their computer, not typing, and their elbow rests on the table, and they feel the edge of their fingernail with their thumb. This is such a lovely little gesture and to my knowledge I have never seen it in fiction. You'd think it would come up all the time in fic. - when you're sharing an experience with a complete stranger (like watching a seagull throw up in public, or waiting for a late train) and you make eye contact, and some comment to each other, and then you guys are, like, ALLIES now. Like you would willingly ride to war to save them. You can't make eye contact again, but you are very aware of them - just evidence of other people's rich, baffling and complex inner lives 207,680 notes Everyone is made up of such beautiful specific details
Beautiful, Complex, and Food: delladilly
 do you ever see someone in some quiet intimate moment and suddenly love
 them so desperately you feel like you're dying
 #1ike when they pass a mirror and make a face and mess with their hair a little
 #or when you hear someone singing in their car with the windows rolled up as
 they drive past you #1 don't know how to express this i ust
 and it makes me so sad and filled up sometimes
 le are
 le
 mrrrl
 I love seeing grown humans setting about little creative tasks out of boredom
 and then looking quietly pleased with themselves, like maybe a middle-aged
 woman on her train home from work manages to make a tower out of empty
 coffee creamers and gazes at it proudly for a few seconds
 I love seeing other people make the overblown OOPS I FORGOT SOMETHING
 performance for no-one that most of us do when we have to turn around in the
 middle of the pavement.
 I love seeing stony-faced people in queues unable to contain a smile when a
 baby looking over its mother's shoulder in front of them locks eyes and does that
 astonished stare
 brittajj26
 when someone is standing in line and they don't quite dance to the music
 playing, but you can SEE their head bop and them mouthing the words
 when someone thinks no one's paying attention and they sing-talk themselves
 thru a task
 when they laugh or try to hide a laugh when looking at their phone
 elodieunderglass
 when someone does the thing where they enter another space (such as a
 supermarket aisle) striding with total purpose, then suddenly forget what they re
 doing/looking for, and stop there looking blank for a millisecond while they
 reboot.
 when people are looking for scissors, in their home or in a store, and they
 make the scissors gesture with their non-dominant hand as an aid to remind
 them what they're doing
 - when automatic social interactions glitch, like when you tell a waiter that you
 hope he enjoys his food too, or tell the stranger on the phone that you love
 them
 the hand gesture people make when they're thinking at their computer, not
 typing, and their elbow rests on the table, and they feel the edge of their
 fingernail with their thumb. This is such a lovely little gesture and to my
 knowledge I have never seen it in fiction. You'd think it would come up all the
 time in fic.
 - when you're sharing an experience with a complete stranger (like watching a
 seagull throw up in public, or waiting for a late train) and you make eye contact,
 and some comment to each other, and then you guys are, like, ALLIES now.
 Like you would willingly ride to war to save them. You can't make eye contact
 again, but you are very aware of them
 - just evidence of other people's rich, baffling and complex inner lives
 207,680 notes
Everyone is made up of such beautiful specific details

Everyone is made up of such beautiful specific details