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Apparently, Bad, and Books: Sierra Marie @cochinita69 My family has gifted me 3 tazers, 4 pepper sprays, 2 pocket knives, and 1 bat over the years to protect me from men that want to hurt me. But I've never heard of a man being gifted books, classes, information on how to dismantle rape culture within themselves chaoscorvid: morrivar: grimm-jimm: fourlughero: mdstroup2142: klubbhead: dangerbooze: chathurlant: cisnowflake: gender-has-failed-us: cisnowflake: celticpyro: silenceofthememes: if y'all wanna walk up to a rapist and hand him a social etiquette book be my guest but idk what y'all expect Really sick of this narrative that men are only rapists because they don’t know any better. No, RAPISTS know what consent is and they don’t care. Exactly. The overwhelming majority of men would never rape anyone. The tiny minority that would know full damn well it’s wrong, they just give a fuck because they’re scum. We don’t live in a rape culture. Some people just don’t care about what is and isn’t culturally acceptable. 31.7% of college men would rape a woman if there were no legal consequences.  31.7% is not a small minority. when some 1/3 of young men state that they would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it, how is that not a rape culture? “The study was conducted by academics at the University of North Dakota and the North Dakota State University. Its sample size was 86 people.” Stop. 86 people isn’t even a majority of people at my high school. Fuck off. @gender-has-failed-us They’re really trying huh Also apparently a quarter of a person said yes… still trotting out stock “teach men not to rape” discourse in [current year] “86 people isn’t even a majority of people at my high school. Fuck off.” 86 people wasn’t even a majority of people in my year in high school. In 2004. We just gonna gloss over that quarter of a person bit? Yeah the math on that was definitely off, but I was more distracted by the fact the independent had the audacity to publish such a bullshit article based on the biggest joke of a “research survey” I’ve seen in a while. “We got about 25 people in fucking North Dakota to say that they might do a bad thing in a hypothetical universe where no cause and effect existed and this means that a third of male college students would rape a woman” holy shit.
Apparently, Bad, and Books: Sierra Marie
 @cochinita69
 My family has gifted me 3 tazers, 4
 pepper sprays, 2 pocket knives, and 1
 bat over the years to protect me from
 men that want to hurt me. But I've
 never heard of a man being gifted
 books, classes, information on how to
 dismantle rape culture within
 themselves
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if y'all wanna walk up to a rapist and hand him a social etiquette book be my guest but idk what y'all expect 
Really sick of this narrative that men are only rapists because they don’t know any better. No, RAPISTS know what consent is and they don’t care.


Exactly. The overwhelming majority of men would never rape anyone. The tiny minority that would know full damn well it’s wrong, they just give a fuck because they’re scum. We don’t live in a rape culture. Some people just don’t care about what is and isn’t culturally acceptable.

31.7% of college men would rape a woman if there were no legal consequences. 
31.7% is not a small minority. when some 1/3 of young men state that they would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it, how is that not a rape culture?


“The study was conducted by academics at the University of North Dakota and the North Dakota State University. Its sample size was 86 people.”
Stop.


86 people isn’t even a majority of people at my high school. Fuck off.

@gender-has-failed-us


They’re really trying huh




Also apparently a quarter of a person said yes…

still trotting out stock “teach men not to rape” discourse in [current year] 


“86 people isn’t even a majority of people at my high school. Fuck off.”
86 people wasn’t even a majority of people in my year in high school. In 2004.


We just gonna gloss over that quarter of a person bit?

Yeah the math on that was definitely off, but I was more distracted by the fact the independent had the audacity to publish such a bullshit article based on the biggest joke of a “research survey” I’ve seen in a while. “We got about 25 people in fucking North Dakota to say that they might do a bad thing in a hypothetical universe where no cause and effect existed and this means that a third of male college students would rape a woman” holy shit.

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Apparently, Books, and College: Sierra Marie @cochinita69 My family has gifted me 3 tazers, 4 pepper sprays, 2 pocket knives, and 1 bat over the years to protect me from men that want to hurt me. But I've never heard of a man being gifted books, classes, information on how to dismantle rape culture within themselves grimm-jimm: fourlughero: mdstroup2142: klubbhead: dangerbooze: chathurlant: cisnowflake: gender-has-failed-us: cisnowflake: celticpyro: silenceofthememes: if y'all wanna walk up to a rapist and hand him a social etiquette book be my guest but idk what y'all expect Really sick of this narrative that men are only rapists because they don’t know any better. No, RAPISTS know what consent is and they don’t care. Exactly. The overwhelming majority of men would never rape anyone. The tiny minority that would know full damn well it’s wrong, they just give a fuck because they’re scum. We don’t live in a rape culture. Some people just don’t care about what is and isn’t culturally acceptable. 31.7% of college men would rape a woman if there were no legal consequences.  31.7% is not a small minority. when some 1/3 of young men state that they would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it, how is that not a rape culture? “The study was conducted by academics at the University of North Dakota and the North Dakota State University. Its sample size was 86 people.” Stop. 86 people isn’t even a majority of people at my high school. Fuck off. @gender-has-failed-us They’re really trying huh Also apparently a quarter of a person said yes… still trotting out stock “teach men not to rape” discourse in [current year]
Apparently, Books, and College: Sierra Marie
 @cochinita69
 My family has gifted me 3 tazers, 4
 pepper sprays, 2 pocket knives, and 1
 bat over the years to protect me from
 men that want to hurt me. But I've
 never heard of a man being gifted
 books, classes, information on how to
 dismantle rape culture within
 themselves
grimm-jimm:
fourlughero:

mdstroup2142:

klubbhead:


dangerbooze:


chathurlant:

cisnowflake:


gender-has-failed-us:


cisnowflake:

celticpyro:

silenceofthememes:
if y'all wanna walk up to a rapist and hand him a social etiquette book be my guest but idk what y'all expect 
Really sick of this narrative that men are only rapists because they don’t know any better. No, RAPISTS know what consent is and they don’t care.


Exactly. The overwhelming majority of men would never rape anyone. The tiny minority that would know full damn well it’s wrong, they just give a fuck because they’re scum. We don’t live in a rape culture. Some people just don’t care about what is and isn’t culturally acceptable.

31.7% of college men would rape a woman if there were no legal consequences. 
31.7% is not a small minority. when some 1/3 of young men state that they would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it, how is that not a rape culture?


“The study was conducted by academics at the University of North Dakota and the North Dakota State University. Its sample size was 86 people.”
Stop.


86 people isn’t even a majority of people at my high school. Fuck off.

@gender-has-failed-us


They’re really trying huh




Also apparently a quarter of a person said yes…

still trotting out stock “teach men not to rape” discourse in [current year]

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Anaconda, Be Like, and Dude: 12:03pm: hey gorgeous 12:05pm: how are youuuu? 12:08pm: you there? 12:10pm: hello? Babe? 12:13pm: HELLOOOoo 12:16pm: fucking slut, you're ugly anyways I mean at some point you need to know when not to stop shooting. If you shoot 0-9 from three, don’t be steph curry. Be like Hassan Whiteside in the fourth and the 4th quarter and take your seat young man. This same logic can be used with people. If it’s NOT working just stop. They say “you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take” but no need to keep hoisting boulders from ya mother’s basement King. Patience is everything when trying to secure anything in life. I tried to teach that to my homie Martin. He ain’t neva had no Daddy. Boy been patient for him to come from Walmart but we know for far too many of us has waited that wait bruv never coming back. Every dude know a guy who talks about a new girl he bout to pull you know his game weak like Krillin. I’m like “give it some time bro plus she light skin it takes 2 business day to generate a response” She ain’t know he liked him but this was the first step to success. I tried to tell him be different. Don’t text her “wyd” call her and ask about her day girls like that shit when dudes go out they way. This boy took it to the extreme. This man called and left a good 26 voice mails-like this some type of 1990’s rnb video. She ain’t answer his call all weekend. I was there for a few, Boy start apologizing for things he ain’t even do. “Sorry your dog died when you was younger I shoulda been there”. I shook my head for the real ones who got some balls to hold onto. Message after message he poured his heart out about he type of dude he was. Nigga STRAIGHT Lying through his teeth. After the 10th they were all pathetic. Have some pride bro. Nigga started getting mad and roasting her. He wrote a whole thesis telling her off. come to find out on Monday her grandfather died and she was at the funeral. This man done over shot and got her killed his chances with her. She told her brother about it. That man stretched Martin till next Tuesday. No literally he a accordion when he walks now. Pray for Martin.
Anaconda, Be Like, and Dude: 12:03pm: hey gorgeous
 12:05pm: how are youuuu?
 12:08pm: you there?
 12:10pm: hello? Babe?
 12:13pm: HELLOOOoo
 12:16pm: fucking slut, you're ugly
 anyways
I mean at some point you need to know when not to stop shooting. If you shoot 0-9 from three, don’t be steph curry. Be like Hassan Whiteside in the fourth and the 4th quarter and take your seat young man. This same logic can be used with people. If it’s NOT working just stop. They say “you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take” but no need to keep hoisting boulders from ya mother’s basement King. Patience is everything when trying to secure anything in life. I tried to teach that to my homie Martin. He ain’t neva had no Daddy. Boy been patient for him to come from Walmart but we know for far too many of us has waited that wait bruv never coming back. Every dude know a guy who talks about a new girl he bout to pull you know his game weak like Krillin. I’m like “give it some time bro plus she light skin it takes 2 business day to generate a response” She ain’t know he liked him but this was the first step to success. I tried to tell him be different. Don’t text her “wyd” call her and ask about her day girls like that shit when dudes go out they way. This boy took it to the extreme. This man called and left a good 26 voice mails-like this some type of 1990’s rnb video. She ain’t answer his call all weekend. I was there for a few, Boy start apologizing for things he ain’t even do. “Sorry your dog died when you was younger I shoulda been there”. I shook my head for the real ones who got some balls to hold onto. Message after message he poured his heart out about he type of dude he was. Nigga STRAIGHT Lying through his teeth. After the 10th they were all pathetic. Have some pride bro. Nigga started getting mad and roasting her. He wrote a whole thesis telling her off. come to find out on Monday her grandfather died and she was at the funeral. This man done over shot and got her killed his chances with her. She told her brother about it. That man stretched Martin till next Tuesday. No literally he a accordion when he walks now. Pray for Martin.

I mean at some point you need to know when not to stop shooting. If you shoot 0-9 from three, don’t be steph curry. Be like Hassan Whiteside...

Adam Driver, Anaconda, and Apparently: Sean T. Collins Follow @theseantcollins weird that the person they went after from Ghostbusters was Leslie Jones. weird that the person they went after from Star Wars was Kelly Marie Tran. what on earth could explain this 5:29 AM 5 Jun 2018 7,482 Retweets 31,087 Likes rockyrz: libertarirynn: siryouarebeingmocked: grumpy-goompa: siryouarebeingmocked: skeleton-jack: cookingwithroxy: siryouarebeingmocked: derpomatic: siryouarebeingmocked: theunnamedstranger: siryouarebeingmocked: theindependentconservative: siryouarebeingmocked: friendly-neighborhood-ehrhardt: triggeredmedia: Bad acting and bad characters? other actors in those movies/franchises got shit from trolls too. melissa mccarthy. hayden christiansen. jake lloyd. laura dern. the difference is that all these media outlets didnt declare it a public crises keep reporting on it months after it was news.  in fact, jake lloyd probably got it worse than anyone, being an actual child at the time being traumatized for years because of bullying, but no one cared at the time now it only gets brought up as a tacked on example when talking about those awful modern star wars fans. hes a straight white man. what on earth could explain this? in leslie jones case, she turned it into an internet slap fight drew much more attention to her when before that she was getting no more shit than the other leads. look, we should always separate the actor from their role people who attack an actor personally for a role are scumbags, but stop injecting racism sexism into everything then using it as a shield against actual valid criticism. Not to mention Adam Driver. He’s still getting crapped on. People complained that he was playing a Jewish guy infiltrating the Klan in a historical Spike Lee movie, even though he isn’t Jewish, which is apparently Not Allowed. These are popular franchises. If a fraction of a percent of their fans are knob-ends who harass people, that would seem overwhelming to the person on the receiving end. Not to mention Rey’s a Mary Sure now and everyone called it. You do remember that I disagree with the majority opinion, right? Also, people were calling her a Mary Sue from the first movie. Sometimes based on things that literally didn’t happen, like “being a better pilot than Han”. On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life until she could pilot it BETTER than someone who’s had it forever.That’s bullshit. On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life You mean the ship that she explicitly called “junk”? The one she says she advised against certain modifications for? The one owned by the Quarter Portion guy, who used to be her guardian, as we see in the flashback? How does Rey fly the ship better than Han? Please, I haven’t seen a single piece of evidence for this in over two and a half years, but it’s treated as gospel.  Heck, he didn’t even “have it forever”, he lost it years, maybe decades ago. Better than Han is less important than outflying two Ties on her first attempt. Only due to home ground advantage, vs. two fighters designed mainly for space combat with horrible aerodynamics, and even then, she got Finn’s turret shot. Also, she’s all-but-explicitly shown to be using The Force. The dialogue draws attention to the fact that she’s flying better than she expects. ‘somebody did a thing that is entirely understandable given the context of the prior movies and the actual text of the movie at hand. But for some reason I missed these obvious things so yarrr!’ No I fully accept the explanations for it. I still think it was poorly done and added to Rey’s perception as a Mary Sue who faces no real challenges and succeeds at everything. That there’s an explanation for what she’s doing and how she’s doing it doesn’t change that I and many people think she shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. So, shedloads of people apparently ignored or missed the clear on-screen evidence to complain about this aspect of the movie, but it’s still the movie’s fault that they’re wrong, even when they’re making claims which they could not have reasonably arrived at (EG Rey’s a better pilot than Han.), and the only possible explanation is “fandom misconceptions”? just because she succeeded (lived) doesn’t mean Rey herself experienced these things as ‘easy’. how many movies out there does the hero do something unexpectedly and benefit from the results? like maybe all of them? movies would be boring if characters are powerless the entire time until the exact one moment they need to win. they need to succeed and stumble a little bit along the way. little wins and little losses until the end. if she got her arm cut off, would that remove people’s mary sue label? Thing is, people ignore the actual struggles she went through just because they have a Narrative. She didn’t just beat Kylo, he knocked her out pretty much instantly, and then Fin bought her time, and then she temporarily forced Ben back (IIRC, the book says she tapped into the Dark Side). We don’t even know if he would’ve been able to win if he got up, or even if he could get up. And this was while Kylo was bleeding out from a high-powered weapon, which the movie takes pain to remind us of. But the fanbase acts like Rey apparently beat Ben with one hand tied behind her back, wearing a blindfold, while suffering from some hideous space-combination of Avian Flu and Ebola Zaire. I’m so glad I’m not crazy. I thought I was the only one in the more conservative camp that doesn’t agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. There is lots of in-text explanation for why she excels at certain things as well as the time honored “because the Force“ answer which has applied to a lot of characters besides her. And she absolutely does have struggles even if they are primarily in emotional conflict and wrestling with her untapped strength and insecurities about her origins. These are what make the character. Calling the whole character a Mary Sue because “she fight too good“ is kind of asinine. And don’t get me started on how they bitch about her beating Kylo and forget that he was mortally wounded at the time, and bitch about her knowing something about the Millennium Falcon and mechanical engineering despite the fact that she was A PROFESSIONAL JUNKER and the ship had been on her planet probably most of her life giving her plenty of time to explore it. But yeah pretending that only the minority actors/actresses get harrassed is bullshit. Rey is 100% a Mary Sue. No training yet managed to beat Kylo Ren, flew a ship across space despite no experience, etc. @rockyrz did you read literally one word from the post above you or are you just gonna keep shouting “she’s a Mary Sue!“ and ignore all evidence to the contrary?“Managed to beat Kylo Ren”BECAUSE HE WAS FUCKING MORTALLY WOUNDED.“flew a ship across space”BECAUSE SHE HAD JUST STATED SHE WAS A PILOT.Like seriously it’s fine if you don’t like the movie but you seem kind of dumb if you just straight up ignore the evidence even it’s right in front of your face so you can keep saying the same thing over and over.
Adam Driver, Anaconda, and Apparently: Sean T. Collins
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 weird that the person they went after
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Bad acting and bad characters?
other actors in those movies/franchises got shit from trolls too.
melissa mccarthy. hayden christiansen. jake lloyd. laura dern.
the difference is that all these media outlets didnt declare it a public crises  keep reporting on it months after it was news.
 in fact, jake lloyd probably got it worse than anyone, being an actual child at the time  being traumatized for years because of bullying, but no one cared at the time  now it only gets brought up as a tacked on example when talking about those awful modern star wars fans.  hes a straight white man. what on earth could explain this?
 in leslie jones case, she turned it into an internet slap fight  drew much more attention to her when before that she was getting no more shit than the other leads.
look, we should always separate the actor from their role  people who attack an actor personally for a role are scumbags, but stop injecting racism  sexism into everything  then using it as a shield against actual valid criticism.

Not to mention Adam Driver. He’s still getting crapped on. People complained that he was playing a Jewish guy infiltrating the Klan in a historical Spike Lee movie, even though he isn’t Jewish, which is apparently Not Allowed.
These are popular franchises. If a fraction of a percent of their fans are knob-ends who harass people, that would seem overwhelming to the person on the receiving end.

Not to mention Rey’s a Mary Sure now and everyone called it.

You do remember that I disagree with the majority opinion, right?
Also, people were calling her a Mary Sue from the first movie. Sometimes based on things that literally didn’t happen, like “being a better pilot than Han”.

On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life until she could pilot it BETTER than someone who’s had it forever.That’s bullshit.



On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life 


You mean the ship that she explicitly called “junk”? The one she says she advised against certain modifications for? The one owned by the Quarter Portion guy, who used to be her guardian, as we see in the flashback?
How does Rey fly the ship better than Han? Please, I haven’t seen a single piece of evidence for this in over two and a half years, but it’s treated as gospel. 
Heck, he didn’t even “have it forever”, he lost it years, maybe decades ago.

Better than Han is less important than outflying two Ties on her first attempt.

Only due to home ground advantage, vs. two fighters designed mainly for space combat with horrible aerodynamics, and even then, she got Finn’s turret shot.
Also, she’s all-but-explicitly shown to be using The Force. The dialogue draws attention to the fact that she’s flying better than she expects.

‘somebody did a thing that is entirely understandable given the context of the prior movies and the actual text of the movie at hand. But for some reason I missed these obvious things so yarrr!’


No I fully accept the explanations for it. I still think it was poorly done and added to Rey’s perception as a Mary Sue who faces no real challenges and succeeds at everything.
That there’s an explanation for what she’s doing and how she’s doing it doesn’t change that I and many people think she shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.

So, shedloads of people apparently ignored or missed the clear on-screen evidence to complain about this aspect of the movie, but it’s still the movie’s fault that they’re wrong, even when they’re making claims which they could not have reasonably arrived at (EG Rey’s a better pilot than Han.), and the only possible explanation is “fandom misconceptions”?

just because she succeeded (lived) doesn’t mean Rey herself experienced these things as ‘easy’. how many movies out there does the hero do something unexpectedly and benefit from the results? like maybe all of them? movies would be boring if characters are powerless the entire time until the exact one moment they need to win. they need to succeed and stumble a little bit along the way. little wins and little losses until the end. if she got her arm cut off, would that remove people’s mary sue label?

Thing is, people ignore the actual struggles she went through just because they have a Narrative. She didn’t just beat Kylo, he knocked her out pretty much instantly, and then Fin bought her time, and then she temporarily forced Ben back (IIRC, the book says she tapped into the Dark Side). We don’t even know if he would’ve been able to win if he got up, or even if he could get up. And this was while Kylo was bleeding out from a high-powered weapon, which the movie takes pain to remind us of.
But the fanbase acts like Rey apparently beat Ben with one hand tied behind her back, wearing a blindfold, while suffering from some hideous space-combination of Avian Flu and Ebola Zaire.

I’m so glad I’m not crazy. I thought I was the only one in the more conservative camp that doesn’t agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. There is lots of in-text explanation for why she excels at certain things as well as the time honored “because the Force“ answer which has applied to a lot of characters besides her. And she absolutely does have struggles even if they are primarily in emotional conflict and wrestling with her untapped strength and insecurities about her origins. These are what make the character. Calling the whole character a Mary Sue because “she fight too good“ is kind of asinine. And don’t get me started on how they bitch about her beating Kylo and forget that he was mortally wounded at the time, and bitch about her knowing something about the Millennium Falcon and mechanical engineering despite the fact that she was A PROFESSIONAL JUNKER and the ship had been on her planet probably most of her life giving her plenty of time to explore it.
But yeah pretending that only the minority actors/actresses get harrassed is bullshit.


Rey is 100% a Mary Sue. No training yet managed to beat Kylo Ren, flew a ship across space despite no experience, etc.
@rockyrz did you read literally one word from the post above you or are you just gonna keep shouting “she’s a Mary Sue!“ and ignore all evidence to the contrary?“Managed to beat Kylo Ren”BECAUSE HE WAS FUCKING MORTALLY WOUNDED.“flew a ship across space”BECAUSE SHE HAD JUST STATED SHE WAS A PILOT.Like seriously it’s fine if you don’t like the movie but you seem kind of dumb if you just straight up ignore the evidence even it’s right in front of your face so you can keep saying the same thing over and over.

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Adam Driver, Apparently, and Bad: Sean T. Collins Follow @theseantcollins weird that the person they went after from Ghostbusters was Leslie Jones. weird that the person they went after from Star Wars was Kelly Marie Tran. what on earth could explain this 5:29 AM 5 Jun 2018 7,482 Retweets 31,087 Likes siryouarebeingmocked: grumpy-goompa: siryouarebeingmocked: skeleton-jack: cookingwithroxy: siryouarebeingmocked: derpomatic: siryouarebeingmocked: theunnamedstranger: siryouarebeingmocked: theindependentconservative: siryouarebeingmocked: friendly-neighborhood-ehrhardt: triggeredmedia: Bad acting and bad characters? other actors in those movies/franchises got shit from trolls too. melissa mccarthy. hayden christiansen. jake lloyd. laura dern. the difference is that all these media outlets didnt declare it a public crises keep reporting on it months after it was news.  in fact, jake lloyd probably got it worse than anyone, being an actual child at the time being traumatized for years because of bullying, but no one cared at the time now it only gets brought up as a tacked on example when talking about those awful modern star wars fans. hes a straight white man. what on earth could explain this? in leslie jones case, she turned it into an internet slap fight drew much more attention to her when before that she was getting no more shit than the other leads. look, we should always separate the actor from their role people who attack an actor personally for a role are scumbags, but stop injecting racism sexism into everything then using it as a shield against actual valid criticism. Not to mention Adam Driver. He’s still getting crapped on. People complained that he was playing a Jewish guy infiltrating the Klan in a historical Spike Lee movie, even though he isn’t Jewish, which is apparently Not Allowed. These are popular franchises. If a fraction of a percent of their fans are knob-ends who harass people, that would seem overwhelming to the person on the receiving end. Not to mention Rey’s a Mary Sure now and everyone called it. You do remember that I disagree with the majority opinion, right? Also, people were calling her a Mary Sue from the first movie. Sometimes based on things that literally didn’t happen, like “being a better pilot than Han”. On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life until she could pilot it BETTER than someone who’s had it forever.That’s bullshit. On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life You mean the ship that she explicitly called “junk”? The one she says she advised against certain modifications for? The one owned by the Quarter Portion guy, who used to be her guardian, as we see in the flashback? How does Rey fly the ship better than Han? Please, I haven’t seen a single piece of evidence for this in over two and a half years, but it’s treated as gospel.  Heck, he didn’t even “have it forever”, he lost it years, maybe decades ago. Better than Han is less important than outflying two Ties on her first attempt. Only due to home ground advantage, vs. two fighters designed mainly for space combat with horrible aerodynamics, and even then, she got Finn’s turret shot. Also, she’s all-but-explicitly shown to be using The Force. The dialogue draws attention to the fact that she’s flying better than she expects. ‘somebody did a thing that is entirely understandable given the context of the prior movies and the actual text of the movie at hand. But for some reason I missed these obvious things so yarrr!’ No I fully accept the explanations for it. I still think it was poorly done and added to Rey’s perception as a Mary Sue who faces no real challenges and succeeds at everything. That there’s an explanation for what she’s doing and how she’s doing it doesn’t change that I and many people think she shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. So, shedloads of people apparently ignored or missed the clear on-screen evidence to complain about this aspect of the movie, but it’s still the movie’s fault that they’re wrong, even when they’re making claims which they could not have reasonably arrived at (EG Rey’s a better pilot than Han.), and the only possible explanation is “fandom misconceptions”? just because she succeeded (lived) doesn’t mean Rey herself experienced these things as ‘easy’. how many movies out there does the hero do something unexpectedly and benefit from the results? like maybe all of them? movies would be boring if characters are powerless the entire time until the exact one moment they need to win. they need to succeed and stumble a little bit along the way. little wins and little losses until the end. if she got her arm cut off, would that remove people’s mary sue label? Thing is, people ignore the actual struggles she went through just because they have a Narrative. She didn’t just beat Kylo, he knocked her out pretty much instantly, and then Fin bought her time, and then she temporarily forced Ben back (IIRC, the book says she tapped into the Dark Side). We don’t even know if he would’ve been able to win if he got up, or even if he could get up. And this was while Kylo was bleeding out from a high-powered weapon, which the movie takes pain to remind us of. But the fanbase acts like Rey apparently beat Ben with one hand tied behind her back, wearing a blindfold, while suffering from some hideous space-combination of Avian Flu and Ebola Zaire. I’m so glad I’m not crazy. I thought I was the only one in the more conservative camp that doesn’t agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. There is lots of in-text explanation for why she excels at certain things as well as the time honored “because the Force“ answer which has applied to a lot of characters besides her. And she absolutely does have struggles even if they are primarily in emotional conflict and wrestling with her untapped strength and insecurities about her origins. These are what make the character. Calling the whole character a Mary Sue because “she fight too good“ is kind of asinine. And don’t get me started on how they bitch about her beating Kylo and forget that he was mortally wounded at the time, and bitch about her knowing something about the Millennium Falcon and mechanical engineering despite the fact that she was A PROFESSIONAL JUNKER and the ship had been on her planet probably most of her life giving her plenty of time to explore it.But yeah pretending that only the minority actors/actresses get harrassed is bullshit.
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Bad acting and bad characters?
other actors in those movies/franchises got shit from trolls too.
melissa mccarthy. hayden christiansen. jake lloyd. laura dern.
the difference is that all these media outlets didnt declare it a public crises  keep reporting on it months after it was news.
 in fact, jake lloyd probably got it worse than anyone, being an actual child at the time  being traumatized for years because of bullying, but no one cared at the time  now it only gets brought up as a tacked on example when talking about those awful modern star wars fans.  hes a straight white man. what on earth could explain this?
 in leslie jones case, she turned it into an internet slap fight  drew much more attention to her when before that she was getting no more shit than the other leads.
look, we should always separate the actor from their role  people who attack an actor personally for a role are scumbags, but stop injecting racism  sexism into everything  then using it as a shield against actual valid criticism.

Not to mention Adam Driver. He’s still getting crapped on. People complained that he was playing a Jewish guy infiltrating the Klan in a historical Spike Lee movie, even though he isn’t Jewish, which is apparently Not Allowed.
These are popular franchises. If a fraction of a percent of their fans are knob-ends who harass people, that would seem overwhelming to the person on the receiving end.

Not to mention Rey’s a Mary Sure now and everyone called it.

You do remember that I disagree with the majority opinion, right?
Also, people were calling her a Mary Sue from the first movie. Sometimes based on things that literally didn’t happen, like “being a better pilot than Han”.

On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life until she could pilot it BETTER than someone who’s had it forever.That’s bullshit.



On a ship she had literally never seen before in her life 


You mean the ship that she explicitly called “junk”? The one she says she advised against certain modifications for? The one owned by the Quarter Portion guy, who used to be her guardian, as we see in the flashback?
How does Rey fly the ship better than Han? Please, I haven’t seen a single piece of evidence for this in over two and a half years, but it’s treated as gospel. 
Heck, he didn’t even “have it forever”, he lost it years, maybe decades ago.

Better than Han is less important than outflying two Ties on her first attempt.

Only due to home ground advantage, vs. two fighters designed mainly for space combat with horrible aerodynamics, and even then, she got Finn’s turret shot.
Also, she’s all-but-explicitly shown to be using The Force. The dialogue draws attention to the fact that she’s flying better than she expects.

‘somebody did a thing that is entirely understandable given the context of the prior movies and the actual text of the movie at hand. But for some reason I missed these obvious things so yarrr!’


No I fully accept the explanations for it. I still think it was poorly done and added to Rey’s perception as a Mary Sue who faces no real challenges and succeeds at everything.
That there’s an explanation for what she’s doing and how she’s doing it doesn’t change that I and many people think she shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.

So, shedloads of people apparently ignored or missed the clear on-screen evidence to complain about this aspect of the movie, but it’s still the movie’s fault that they’re wrong, even when they’re making claims which they could not have reasonably arrived at (EG Rey’s a better pilot than Han.), and the only possible explanation is “fandom misconceptions”?

just because she succeeded (lived) doesn’t mean Rey herself experienced these things as ‘easy’. how many movies out there does the hero do something unexpectedly and benefit from the results? like maybe all of them? movies would be boring if characters are powerless the entire time until the exact one moment they need to win. they need to succeed and stumble a little bit along the way. little wins and little losses until the end. if she got her arm cut off, would that remove people’s mary sue label?

Thing is, people ignore the actual struggles she went through just because they have a Narrative. She didn’t just beat Kylo, he knocked her out pretty much instantly, and then Fin bought her time, and then she temporarily forced Ben back (IIRC, the book says she tapped into the Dark Side). We don’t even know if he would’ve been able to win if he got up, or even if he could get up. And this was while Kylo was bleeding out from a high-powered weapon, which the movie takes pain to remind us of.
But the fanbase acts like Rey apparently beat Ben with one hand tied behind her back, wearing a blindfold, while suffering from some hideous space-combination of Avian Flu and Ebola Zaire.
I’m so glad I’m not crazy. I thought I was the only one in the more conservative camp that doesn’t agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. There is lots of in-text explanation for why she excels at certain things as well as the time honored “because the Force“ answer which has applied to a lot of characters besides her. And she absolutely does have struggles even if they are primarily in emotional conflict and wrestling with her untapped strength and insecurities about her origins. These are what make the character. Calling the whole character a Mary Sue because “she fight too good“ is kind of asinine. And don’t get me started on how they bitch about her beating Kylo and forget that he was mortally wounded at the time, and bitch about her knowing something about the Millennium Falcon and mechanical engineering despite the fact that she was A PROFESSIONAL JUNKER and the ship had been on her planet probably most of her life giving her plenty of time to explore it.But yeah pretending that only the minority actors/actresses get harrassed is bullshit.

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